Thread: Big Bro and CCW

I thought about that when I was going for my CCW license and came to the conclusion that I have nothing to worry about as long as I continue being a law abiding citizen.

Look at it this way, if they didn't take prints there would be a lot more scumbags carrying weapons.

Originally Posted by DjSaneR

Look at it this way, if they didn't take prints there would be a lot more scumbags carrying weapons.

I can certainly agree with that. I'm not blind to the advantages, but it still scares me.

I just can't help but feel like the government is gaining more and more power, too much if you ask me. I don't want to be a part of that.

I will probably end up submitting and getting a CCW license, but I just don't like it.

I'm sure they have my prints of file somehow anyway.

I agree with both sides. I carried for many years without a CCW because I did not want the Gov. telling me when and where I could protect myself. I did not carry all the time but there were times I felt my life was worth the risk I was taking carrying without a permit. After my son came along I decided going to jail for carrying wasn't good either so I got my CCW a few years ago.

Originally Posted by Maximo

I carried for many years without a CCW...

Oh, I won't carry without a CCW... My life isn't in that much danger. I actually doubt I need a CCW at all.

I'd only get a CCW for the "just in case" aspect.

I wouldn't break the law just to "carry"

The prints don't bother me that much. Really, if someone in the gov't wants to know about me, the lack of prints on file won't deter them I'd imagine.

As fingerprinting (or registering firearms at all) relates to keeping them out of the hands of criminals, I think it's a marginal argument. It certainly keeps handguns out of the hands of a few simpletons, but I don't imagine that most homicides are committed with registered arms.

Originally Posted by PenguinRunway

I just can't help but feel like the government is gaining more and more power, too much if you ask me.

Yep.. That's what made me think, too. At the end, I figured that the government can get whatever they want from me without my prints, anyway.

Originally Posted by MLB

The prints don't bother me that much. Really, if someone in the gov't wants to know about me, the lack of prints on file won't deter them I'd imagine..

I concur.

Disneyworld even scanned my fingers for "terrorist protection" ... not sure if they actually took my prints or what... freaked me out though.

If ya ever bought a firearm and had a NICS check run they already know who you are, fingerprints or not!

Many states now require fingerprinting when you get (or renew) your driver's license. Hell, my job required that I get printed.

It's no big deal. Chances are they already have your prints on file anyway.

Originally Posted by OrangeSkies

Many states now require fingerprinting when you get (or renew) your driver's license. Hell, my job required that I get printed.

It's no big deal. Chances are they already have your prints on file anyway.

I figure if you have received or renewed a drivers license since 9/11, been in the military, applied for a passport or had a job that requires any kind of security check, your fingerprints are already on file. Of course, if the polce have ever taken you into custody - whether you were actually charger or convicted - your prints are in the system. Most people born in the past 30-40 years (if it was in a hospital anyway) probably have their prints on file someplace as well.

The government already knows who you are and where to look if it really wants you. Your name, picture and address are on file if you have a valid DL or state ID and if you file taxes, they also know where you work. Actually, they know more about you than you probably do..

Originally Posted by PenguinRunway

My life isn't in that much danger. I actually doubt I need a CCW at all.

I'd only get a CCW for the "just in case" aspect.

How do you know your life isn't in danger?

"Just in case of what?"

Looks like you have a while to think about a permit.

Originally Posted by 2400

How do you know your life isn't in danger?

Are you trying to make me paranoid? haha

No, I'm just saying, I have never felt threatened in any way. The only reasons I'd want a CCW is:

1) In the event I AM threatened.

2) Ability to hide gun from others when transporting or camping.

Guns aren't too too common in Florida... atleast not around here. It'd be nice to be able to just put it under my jacket in the event I need to take it somewhere.

That isn't much of a concern for me as I've been finger printed a bunch of times. I am really starting to think I am the only one who was ever finger printed in grade school. But we got finger printed back when I was in first grade and again in fourth grade. And I was finger printed so many times when working armored transport I still have ink on my fingers.

Besides, if you remain a law abiding citizen, your finger prints on file may be helpful to you anyway.

Originally Posted by SuckLead

Besides, if you remain a law abiding citizen, your finger prints on file may be helpful to you anyway.

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Besides... ever take a close look at your birth certificate...? You're prints are already on file. Now, go out and get your CCW and protect yourself from that "just in case" moment.

Originally Posted by js

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Besides... ever take a close look at your birth certificate...? You're prints are already on file. Now, go out and get your CCW and protect yourself from that "just in case" moment.

Ya I will...

I just hate the system. I love america, don't get me wrong... but why must we take away our freedom and liberty so we can force our freedom on others.

Originally Posted by PenguinRunway

Ya I will...

I just hate the system. I love america, don't get me wrong...but why must we take away our freedom and liberty so we can force our freedom
on others.

HUH????????????

Alot of our freedom is taken away due to terrorist attacks and such (and idiots right here in the us). Well, it's being blamed on that anyways.

If America wasn't so pushy... but at the same time, they are loosely connected and I'm somewhat proud to be part of a country that does what is right. I don't know, I try to stay out of politics, I'm just now getting into them. Pardon my half baked notions.

Originally Posted by PenguinRunway

Pardon my half baked notions.

Originally Posted by DjSaneR

Look at it this way, if they didn't take prints there would be a lot more scumbags carrying weapons.

If criminals needed a permit to carry then there'd be no need for anyone to carry. Unless you were referring to people who make less money than you which the permit fees are intended to deter.

The permit system does not work. It is only intended for one purpose: to discourage law-abiding citizens from carrying by turning the right to keep and bear arms into the right to keep but the privilege to bear arms. That is it. It is already illegal for a felon to purchase or possess a firearm. What good does making the right to keep and bear arms a privilege instead of a right?

Big Brother already has a lot more information on me than any CCW application can provide them. I'm not really concerned about that. I'm just one of the few people who despise my Constitutional liberties being deprived from me. Don't blame me for the direction this country is headed.

Originally Posted by PenguinRunway

If America wasn't so pushy... but at the same time, they are loosely connected and I'm somewhat proud to be part of a country that does what is right. I don't know, I try to stay out of politics, I'm just now getting into them. Pardon my half baked notions.

Who's pushy?

Are you telling me that Saddam Hussein wasn't being pushy by refusing to abide by treaties and making death-threats?

Is there any need for me to remind you about why we're in Afghanistan?

Have you been following North Korea and Iran?

No, we're no pushy at all. If we were pushy(as we should be) we wouldn't be involved in a war as Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, and Syria would no longer exist. Instead we have to sacrifice our own lives and resources to try to make the lives of ungrateful savage scum better.

No. We're the nice guys. We're way too damn nice.

Originally Posted by Revolver

No. We're the nice guys. We're way too damn nice.

Amen to that!

Well, I simply don't like how things are.

HOWEVER, I have no better solution, so I have no right to complain.

I just wish we could all hug... and then carry without being printed.

Originally Posted by PenguinRunway

Well, I simply don't like how things are.

HOWEVER, I have no better solution, so I have no right to complain.

I just wish we could all hug... and then carry without being printed.

I agree with you..............................except for the hugging part.