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    Yes! Arizona is #1
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    Quote Originally Posted by desertman View Post
    Yes! Arizona is #1
    I'm pretty sure that Vermont would be #1 if we had a permitting process for reciprocity purposes. I don't know, but suspect that Rhode Island's out-of-stater permit gets some attention from Vermonters who travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillman View Post
    I'm pretty sure that Vermont would be #1 if we had a permitting process for reciprocity purposes. I don't know, but suspect that Rhode Island's out-of-stater permit gets some attention from Vermonters who travel.
    I believe, but am not sure but at one time Vermont was about the only state that allowed both methods of carry without a permit? Arizona, before August of 2010 only allowed open carry without a permit. At one time open carry was the only way to carry legally out here. We have since gone constitutional carry, permits being optional for reciprocity purposes with states that require their residents to have a permit and a few other perks. Fortunately both of our states have very specific constitutional guarantees which leave no doubt as to what it's meaning is with regard to individual 2nd Amendment rights. There is no militia clause that can be taken out of context by antigun zealots. I do not understand what is stopping Vermonters from implementing a system such as we have here in Arizona? In Arizona as long as you have legally complied with the laws of your home state regarding the possession of firearms you can carry legally here just as we can. The same is probably true with other states that do not require a permit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by desertman View Post
    I believe, but am not sure but at one time Vermont was about the only state that allowed both methods of carry without a permit? Arizona, before August of 2010 only allowed open carry without a permit. At one time open carry was the only way to carry legally out here. We have since gone constitutional carry, permits being optional for reciprocity purposes with states that require their residents to have a permit and a few other perks. Fortunately both of our states have very specific constitutional guarantees which leave no doubt as to what it's meaning is with regard to individual 2nd Amendment rights. There is no militia clause that can be taken out of context by antigun zealots. I do not understand what is stopping Vermonters from implementing a system such as we have here in Arizona? In Arizona as long as you have legally complied with the laws of your home state regarding the possession of firearms you can carry legally here just as we can. The same is probably true with other states that do not require a permit.
    Far as I know, that is the story in Vermont. What I was trying to say is that we have no way to get reciprocity with states that do require permits except to get an out-of-state permit somewhere. That is only a partial fix, y'know.

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    They fly the Union Jack in Hawaii? Not surprising, and California should change it's flag to Red with a star in the middle.

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    Well, at least Indiana was in the top 10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by denner View Post
    They fly the Union Jack in Hawaii? Not surprising, and California should change it's flag to Red with a star in the middle.
    More like a nice big fat swastika in a white circle.
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    "Carrying openly or concealed is allowed in restaurants and bars so long as no alcohol is consumed."
    This statement is two-thirds in error. You can open carry into an ABC ON establishment and consume alcohol, though we don't recommend this. If you sidearm is concealed, you may not consume... unless you're a member of the state's attorney general core. The other third part that is in error is this. There are no bars in Virginia.

    Virginia should have been ranked higher than this magazine felt was earned. We have among the most lenient concealed carry laws and open carry is the normal mode of carrying, which requires no permit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    "Carrying openly or concealed is allowed in restaurants and bars so long as no alcohol is consumed."
    This statement is two-thirds in error. You can open carry into an ABC ON establishment and consume alcohol, though we don't recommend this. If you sidearm is concealed, you may not consume... unless you're a member of the state's attorney general core. The other third part that is in error is this. There are no bars in Virginia.

    Virginia should have been ranked higher than this magazine felt was earned. We have among the most lenient concealed carry laws and open carry is the normal mode of carrying, which requires no permit.
    In Arizona unless you have a concealed weapons permit you are not allowed to carry either openly or concealed into any establishment that serves alcohol unless there is a dire emergency. Permit or no permit you are not allowed to consume alcohol on those premises while carrying. This does not bother me as the two do not mix. Same goes for operating vehicles. There are many bars in Arizona as there are in most other states. The main purpose of a bar is to serve alcohol. Most people have to drive a vehicle to get to them and use that same vehicle to leave. I do not know of too many people who go to a bar and have "just one". A restaurant? Maybe? More than likely one or two with a meal. Most people, I would venture to say that go to a bar, leave while they are over the legal limit for a DUI. In hindsight, I can not for the life of me understand why bars whose sole purpose is for individuals to get intoxicated are allowed to remain open. I would even go further and not allow any establishment where most individuals have to drive to, serve alcoholic beverages. Is it really necessary to have have an alcoholic beverage with a meal? God forbid you got into an accident that may not even be your fault: "But officer I only had one drink". Regardless if you were under the limit for a DUI, it still wouldn't look too good. And God forbid if there were any personal injury or even death. Consuming alcoholic beverages while out and about in public is never a good idea especially while armed or operating any type of vehicle. This also applies to any intoxicating substance. Shit, I confess I'm guilty of doing this in my late teens and early 20's and am damn lucky that nothing ever happened. Not so for some of my friends who never grew up or knew when to stop. A few of whom died in alcohol/drug related incidents. Others had multiple DUI's, failed marriages, broken homes, lost jobs you name it. It's just not worth it. The $64,000 question is: How do you get thru to these people before it ultimately ruins their lives or the lives of others?

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    (desertman) "I can not for the life of me understand why bars whose sole purpose is for individuals to get intoxicated are allowed to remain open."

    You appear to be confusing the DUI limit with 'intoxicated'. The blood alcohol level that makes a person intoxicated varies widely, but is nearly always well above the DUI measurement. The oldtime .15% number was pretty reasonable. the current standard .08% limit is a MADD thing.

    Alcohol and guns don't coexist well at all, but that is the inhibition relaxant factor, not the coordination/ratiocination stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillman View Post
    (desertman) "I can not for the life of me understand why bars whose sole purpose is for individuals to get intoxicated are allowed to remain open."

    You appear to be confusing the DUI limit with 'intoxicated'. The blood alcohol level that makes a person intoxicated varies widely, but is nearly always well above the DUI measurement. The oldtime .15% number was pretty reasonable. the current standard .08% limit is a MADD thing.

    Alcohol and guns don't coexist well at all, but that is the inhibition relaxant factor, not the coordination/ratiocination stuff.
    I understand that. There was an individual out here that hit and killed a girl while she was riding a bicycle. He stayed on the scene as this was not a hit and run. He was under the legal limit for DUI.

    **** was indicted by a grand jury on one count of manslaughter and two counts of DUI - one for alcohol, one for drugs - on Sept. 9.

    **** was cooperative at the scene, the report said, and blew a .007, far below the .08 threshold for drunk driving. **** went back to the police station willingly, but then decided against giving blood or urine samples, and a warrant had to be obtained to take them.

    Police took further breath samples around 7:20 p.m. but they showed a .000 (zero) reading, the report said.

    A test for drugs did show the presence of THC metabolite, the active ingredient in marijuana. **** said he had smoked it about 12 hours earlier, at 6:45 a.m.
    My whole point is that it is better to not have a trace of any intoxicants in your system in case of a situation such as this. Or any situation for that matter. Witnesses to the accident have claimed that this individual was not driving erratic or reckless in any way. Many have claimed that it was entirely possible that at the time of the accident the sun could have made it difficult to have seen this young women on a bicycle. Again, he did stay on the scene and was cooperative. Indicating at least to me that he felt he had nothing to hide and was sober at the time. Even though he may have consumed one or two alcoholic beverages and smoked a joint 12 hours earlier. Hell, if you want to have a couple of drinks or smoke a joint, you're better off staying home. If you own guns having traces of THC metabolite or other controlled substances would qualify you as a prohibited possessor under state and federal law. Which could and probably would lead to the confiscation of your personal firearms. Along with charges of lying on federal Form 4473 with regards to the question: "Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?". Just try to imagine if you had to use your gun and were justified in using it for self defense yet had traces of intoxicants especially controlled substances in your system. Think that they won't check for it? Indeed they will, you can bet on it.

    Needless to say two lives have been ruined over this incident not to mention their families especially the family who lost someone. More than likely in addition to criminal charges there will be lawsuits.

    Had this individual not had any traces of intoxicants in his body this more than likely would have been nothing more than a terrible accident that due to road conditions at the time couldn't have been avoided.

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    Hah. How did the pot get into the conversation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillman View Post
    Hah. How did the pot get into the conversation?
    **** was indicted by a grand jury on one count of manslaughter and two counts of DUI - one for alcohol, one for drugs - on Sept. 9.

    **** was cooperative at the scene, the report said, and blew a .007, far below the .08 threshold for drunk driving. **** went back to the police station willingly, but then decided against giving blood or urine samples, and a warrant had to be obtained to take them.

    Police took further breath samples around 7:20 p.m. but they showed a .000 (zero) reading, the report said.

    A test for drugs did show the presence of THC metabolite, the active ingredient in marijuana. **** said he had smoked it about 12 hours earlier, at 6:45 a.m.


    See above from the news article. What difference does it make? The whole point of my argument is that people should not be using intoxicants while operating vehicles or handling firearms. You don't even have to be intoxicated to get yourself in a whole lot of trouble if trace amounts are found in your system. As the gentleman who hit and killed this young women is finding out. What is so hard to understand about that?

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    I don't know anything about drugs. I do know that Pennsylvania is a good carry State just so long
    as you don't carry in the big cities like Philly.

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    I used to have a Indiana CCW permit. Now I have an AZ one.
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    Well, at least Indiana was in the top 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zb338 View Post
    I don't know anything about drugs. I do know that Pennsylvania is a good carry State just so long
    as you don't carry in the big cities like Philly.

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    So are you saying that if you have a Pennsylvania concealed carry permit, or one recognized from another state, that you cannot carry in Philadelphia? I have heard of some problems with Philly police with open carriers but concealed??

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    Quote Originally Posted by desertman View Post
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    See above from the news article. What difference does it make? The whole point of my argument is that people should not be using intoxicants while operating vehicles or handling firearms. You don't even have to be intoxicated to get yourself in a whole lot of trouble if trace amounts are found in your system. As the gentleman who hit and killed this young women is finding out. What is so hard to understand about that?
    Oops, sorry. I consider pot to be a mind altering drug, not 'intoxicant', which is hopelessly general.. Hell, coal dust laden air and carbon monoxide are intoxicants, i.e. are toxic. DUI is short for Driving Under the Influence, and back in the day it was the influence of alcohol. The drug thing has gotten tacked on. Hard for an old geezer to keep up with all these tacking ons.

    A "trace of THC metabolite" without a specific "intoxicated" number is another example of MADDlike bs, y'know. Hell, even worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillman View Post
    Oops, sorry. I consider pot to be a mind altering drug, not 'intoxicant', which is hopelessly general.. Hell, coal dust laden air and carbon monoxide are intoxicants, i.e. are toxic. DUI is short for Driving Under the Influence, and back in the day it was the influence of alcohol. The drug thing has gotten tacked on. Hard for an old geezer to keep up with all these tacking ons.

    A "trace of THC metabolite" without a specific "intoxicated" number is another example of MADDlike bs, y'know. Hell, even worse.
    Sorry, no offense intended but I guess you've missed the entire point of my posts regarding that subject. It's gone right past you. What more can I say? I don't understand why all the animosity towards MADD? I certainly do not want to be around individuals that are under the influence of alcohol or mind altering drugs either while out on the highway or handling firearms. Do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    So are you saying that if you have a Pennsylvania concealed carry permit, or one recognized from another state, that you cannot carry in Philadelphia? I have heard of some problems with Philly police with open carriers but concealed??
    Some states have no preemption clause, which allows different jurisdictions within that state to enact their own firearms laws that are more restrictive than state law. You can be legal in one town, a criminal in the next. Pretty screwed up, huh? New York State is a prime example. Some jurisdictions issue unrestricted carry licenses which are good throughout the state except NYC. Others issue restricted carry for specific purposes such as target shooting, hunting, business or premises. With a restricted permit an individual may only carry or possess a handgun for the purpose of which the license was issued. To and from a shooting range, out in the field while hunting or to and from ones place of business, things like that. Or to be kept on one's premises only which is really absurd, unless you have a shooting range, how can you become proficient? Unrestricted, anytime and anywhere for any lawful purpose except NYC and of course designated gun free zones. It's left up to the licensing officer's discretion as to who gets what type of license. Licensing officer's are usually county judges in that state. New York is also a "may issue" state.

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