Nevermind.....wow....

Originally Posted by berettabone

What didn't you like about the BG 380?

I actually REALLY liked it... Was awesome and the laser seemed bright

But not $100 extra better then the LCP. 299 for the LCP and 399 for the BG. Ill take the LCP w/ nemisis holster, extra mag, and two boxes of .380 ammo totalling to just under 399.

Plus going on a trip so want an extra money to use for that.

I liked the trigger a bit more on the BG.

Originally Posted by jakeleinen1

I actually REALLY liked it... Was awesome and the laser seemed bright

But not $100 extra better then the LCP. 299 for the LCP and 399 for the BG. Ill take the LCP w/ nemisis holster, extra mag, and two boxes of .380 ammo totalling to just under 399.

Plus going on a trip so want an extra money to use for that.

This is why we have lawyers...

We can't even look at a map and agree whether or not all the states are green.

Originally Posted by berettabone

I liked the trigger a bit more on the BG.

I like the look of the BG, its like badass! The triggers felt the same to me but I was not exactly in the most observant mood when I was holding them because I was shocked how small they were, its one thing to see them on youtube and through the glass but its another to hold them.

I used to think pocket pistols were rubbish

They do take a while to get used to...I have the BG w/laser.......none of the triggers on pocket pockets are the greatest, but with some practice, they are acceptable. They are definitely not for anything beyond 10-15 yds., so firefights are out of the question.

Originally Posted by jakeleinen1

I like the look of the BG, its like badass! The triggers felt the same to me but I was not exactly in the most observant mood when I was holding them because I was shocked how small they were, its one thing to see them on youtube and through the glass but its another to hold them.

I used to think pocket pistols were rubbish

I have family in West Virginia

Texas used to recognize West Virginia CC permits - but W.V. didn't recognize Texas permits.

That's finally been fixed within the last year.

Every state between Texas and W.V. recognized my Texas CC permit -

So when I'd drive to see the family - I CC all the way to W.V. line get out put my gun in the trunk

And do the reverse on the way home

Not even sure if that was legal

Seemed kinda silly to me ..,,, but fixed now.

Originally Posted by berettabone

Not to be argumentative, but, since when?

Ahhh what a week, phone is still busted and just now able to really sit down at the computer.

Since at least 2004, but more likely 2001 when shall issue was implemented in MI.

From the MI state police:

Non-residents of Michigan wishing to carry a concealed pistol in Michigan:

If you are a non-resident of Michigan with a valid concealed pistol permit from your home state, Michigan will recognize your permit. However, you must carry in conformance with any and all restrictions appearing on the permit. You are subject to Michigan's concealed pistol law including but not limited to restrictions on where a concealed pistol may be carried. Please review the information provided on this website for further information.

From MI code: Michigan Legislature - Section 28.422

28.422 License to purchase, carry, possess, or transport pistol; issuance; qualifications; applications; sale of pistol; exemptions; nonresidents; basic pistol safety brochure; forging application; implementation during business hours.Sec. 2.
(1) Except as otherwise provided in this section, a person shall not purchase, carry, possess, or transport a pistol in this state without first having obtained a license for the pistol as prescribed in this section.

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(8) An individual who is not a resident of this state is not required to obtain a license under this section if all of the following conditions apply:
(a) The individual is licensed in his or her state of residence to purchase, carry, or transport a pistol.

And from the MI Attorney General: AG - A Michigan concealed pistol licensee who wishes to carry a concealed pistol in another state is responsible for complying with the laws of that state

Michigan's concealed pistol law expressly recognizes permits issued by other states to its residents. MCL 28.432a. However, non-residents are subject to the Michigan law while carrying a pistol in Michigan, including those restricting where pistols may be carried, the implied consent provision, disclosure to a peace officer when stopped, and carrying while under the influence. A non-resident should acquaint himself or herself with the Michigan law before carrying a concealed pistol in Michigan.

Similarly, a Michigan concealed pistol licensee who wishes to carry a concealed pistol in another state is responsible for complying with the laws of that state. In an effort to identify which states recognize Michigan issued concealed pistol licenses, each state was contacted by the Attorney General.

Now, the issue with my back pedaling with my statements regarding MI was due to Harry's map is that is listed as a "reciprocity" map, this really isn't the case as MI is not entering into agreements with other states in a "you honor ours, we'll honor yours" as....you got it, MI honors all other state's resident permits. While the map does a good job of telling you where you can carry with a MI permit, it falls short on the other half of the equation by not mentioning that MI recognizes all state's resident and thus it appears that there are states that MI does not honor.

Regarding the topic of this thread in general.

Jake, the original poster of this thread is in Iowa. When Iowa became shall issue, the law was amended to do away with the Iowa non-resident permits which were previously issued by DPS. In lieu of this, it was decided that Iowa would recognize any other state's permit. Iowa code does not appoint anyone to enter into reciprocity agreements, therefore no political appointee is trying to get the Iowa permit recognized by other states, however some of the grass roots organizations and some individuals have contacted other states regarding them possibly accepting the Iowa permit.

From the Iowa DPS SF2379 FAQ
QUESTION: My state requires a reciprocity agreement before it can recognize an out-of-state permit. Will Iowa enter into such a reciprocity agreement?
ANSWER: No. Iowa law does not provide for entering into reciprocity agreements with states that require them. Iowa will honor any valid permit issued in any other state.

Part of what states look at when deciding to honor a state's permit is the training requirements. States that have higher training requirements typically do not recognize the permits of sates with a "lesser" training requirement. Iowa has no requirement for live fire and that amongst other things hurts us when trying to get our permits honored by other states. That's the drawback of a lax training requirement.