View Poll Results: Do you patronize non-ccw friendly establishments?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Packard View Post
    You are correct in that your quote is exactly as the statute is written. But there needs to be a legal definition of "school" or we would be excluded from karate schools, firearms training schools, music schools, etc. Clearly there must be a legal definition of "school". I was told that it had to be an accredited school (most day care and preschools are accredited, most karate schools are not).
    accredited by whom? many dojos ARE accredited by the BBB..... some are inspected and certified by their individual martial arts associations. so again, the definition of these terms allows for just about any interpretation.

    btw, with my oregon chl i can carry , either open or concealed in any public school, college or university in the state.... awesome huh?

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    I carry where it's legal to do so. An establishment will get my business until such a time that I am asked to leave because I am carrying. I will do so without incident and not return after that.

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    Good points. I know that the state of Michigan (I live in Ohio and my ccw is also Ohio) permit holders are not permitted to conceal carry their weapon in any area where there are more than (something like) 1200 people gathered. This is in addition to the restricted areas that Ohio permit holders are not allowed to carry. Just an interesting fact.

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    I carry a concealed weapon. That means nobody needs to know its there, and if they do find out it's probably because something bad is happening. I these cases I don't think signs mean a whole lot...

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    The only time I go anywhere that won't allow concealed carry is I have to go eat out with the in-laws. As for me and my wife I try really, really, really hard to avoid places that serve alcohol. 1. Because I can't legally carry there and 2. because there is always someone who doesn't know when to stop and ends up starting some kind of trouble. For the times I can't take a gun I always have multiple knives (thank God the signs say no handguns and not no concealed weapons)

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    The only places I do not go with my firearm is to court or on an airline. Apart from this, I go everywhere else with it. places with signs indicating firearms are not allowed do not deserve my business, unless its a government establishment.

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    Amen, I like your phrasing, attitude, and uncommon common sense sir.

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    Went to Denney's for breakfast this morning and was dissapointed to see the no ccw sign. Been thinking about it the rest of the day, do I go again, or switch to another breakfast place. I will let them know how I feel when I do the online survey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XRacer View Post
    Went to Denney's for breakfast this morning and was dissapointed to see the no ccw sign. Been thinking about it the rest of the day, do I go again, or switch to another breakfast place. I will let them know how I feel when I do the online survey.
    I've eaten at the local Denny's and I'd suggest to them that they put up that same sign; the service and food were so bad I felt like shooting the place up. (But I'm a picture of restraint and all my handguns, RPGs an Tomahawk missiles remained holstered, stowed, or in silos.)

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    For the most part, I will not patronize an establishment that posts....it's my right.....

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    FALCHUNT
    You bring up some interesting points
    You say that MI CCW holders are not permitted to....
    Since you are an OHIO CCW Holder, are YOU exempt from that prohibition ?
    Also, since they are not permitted to, does that mean they can OPEN carry ?


    Quote Originally Posted by falchunt View Post
    Good points. I know that the state of Michigan (I live in Ohio and my ccw is also Ohio) permit holders are not permitted to conceal carry their weapon in any area where there are more than (something like) 1200 people gathered. This is in addition to the restricted areas that Ohio permit holders are not allowed to carry. Just an interesting fact.

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    You still have to respect the gun laws for the state the reciprocates. Like some places you can carry a gun into a resturant that serves alcohol as long as the carrier is not drinking. In NC you are not allowed to carry concealed ANY resturant that serves alcohol.

    I know a couple of people that do (but don't drink) and said if they haev to use it then they will deal with the fines, having their gun and license taken away, and the other legal stuff. It is their choice, I however won't put me or my wife in the position of going somewhere I can't defend myself or her. Sometimes I break down and go somewhere. I just tell her she better hopes if something goes down we can make it back to the car.

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    I figure if my gun is not welcome neither am I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ROGRRR View Post
    FALCHUNT
    You bring up some interesting points
    You say that MI CCW holders are not permitted to....
    Since you are an OHIO CCW Holder, are YOU exempt from that prohibition ?
    Also, since they are not permitted to, does that mean they can OPEN carry ?
    The best thing to do is IF your CCL is honored in another state LEARN that states laws and ABIDE by those laws while in that state.
    End of confusion.

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    I don't look for the signs but if I see one and don't need to go there I won't.Otherwise I'm legal unless I'm made and asked to leave.

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    I ignore the signs. If I'm doing it right they will never know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by capgun View Post
    I ignore the signs. If I'm doing it right they will never know.
    Yeah until you forget and move wrong and print. it will take one person to complain and the manager or worker, heck even the person who seen it call the cops.

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    If you conceal your weapon properly, you will not "print" noticeably, and you won't be found out.
    Small amounts of print-through are, essentially, invisible. This is particularly true if you carry at "4:00" or (for lefties) "8:00," because your arm covers and obscures the area quite well.
    If your body structure permits it, "11:00" and "1:00" ("appendix carry") can also be almost completely invisible.

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    The poll actually needs another option. In Missouri it's not illegal to carry in businesses with "No Gun" signs posted. So, given the option, I prefer to patronize gun friendly businesses. But it I need to go somewhere and see a sign, I just ignore it and go on in. Unless it's one of those locations that are illegal by law, like schools, hospitals, etc.

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    POCKET CARRY!!! pant pocket, jacket pocket, shirt pocket, pick any pocket, who can see in your pocket? Trust me when your in the store and you put someone down that is going to kill the business owners family behind the cash register, I bet he/she forgets about the sign. We had that exact same thing happen here, and the owner refused to press any charges and the sign came down. Now no, I hope that rarely or never happens, and I try and be a good law abiding citizen. But, nowadays it can happen anywhere and if you think the bad guys can't read and don't pick places that have those signs then your living in a fantasy world. I don't want to be the one in the store that it happens and I reach in my waste band or under my arm and its empty because its in the Jeep. Thankfully I don't have to pick where I shop, I just go in do my business and leave. This is just me, I'm not saying how anyone else should or should not approach it, so I'm not saying anyone else is wrong or right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrwilson View Post
    POCKET CARRY!!! pant pocket, jacket pocket, shirt pocket, pick any pocket, who can see in your pocket? Trust me when your in the store and you put someone down that is going to kill the business owners family behind the cash register, I bet he/she forgets about the sign. We had that exact same thing happen here, and the owner refused to press any charges and the sign came down. Now no, I hope that rarely or never happens, and I try and be a good law abiding citizen. But, nowadays it can happen anywhere and if you think the bad guys can't read and don't pick places that have those signs then your living in a fantasy world. I don't want to be the one in the store that it happens and I reach in my waste band or under my arm and its empty because its in the Jeep. Thankfully I don't have to pick where I shop, I just go in do my business and leave. This is just me, I'm not saying how anyone else should or should not approach it, so I'm not saying anyone else is wrong or right.
    I have carried for 3 years now (642 in a pocket holster) and the only two people that know I carry are my wife and my seamstress ( she lengthens and reinforces my right pocket in all of my trousers and jeans). It isn't that much of an issue around here in rural TN as very few places are posted. Still I don't really get too worried about being "made" with my mode of carry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrwilson View Post
    POCKET CARRY!!! pant pocket, jacket pocket, shirt pocket, pick any pocket, who can see in your pocket?...
    It's not merely a matter of who can see into your pocket.
    There's also the issue of what can fit into your pocket.
    Pocket-size pistols are only effective in the hands of someone who is already fairly expert at pistolcraft. People who have not already learned to shoot well with full-size pistols, and who are not willing to put in time doing continuing dry- and live-fire practice, will only cause disasters if they carry pocket pistols.

    Furthermore, people can "see" what's in your pocket!
    We were at a concert, last night, at our island's theater. We sat with another couple, old friends and the parents of a fine (classical) musician.
    Just joking around, the husband of this couple put his hand into my right-hand pants pocket, as if looking for money with which to make a contribution to the theater's operating fund.
    He was very surprised at what he found!

    He took it well, and he kept his mouth shut.

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    I agree with what your saying Steve about the pocket pistol experience, but what I wear, there is no way you can tell what is in my pocket. I did have almost the same thing happen to me but in my jacket pocket, but my friend was quiet about it too! But you can agree, there is never a "perfect" place for CCW every time and every place. Adaptability to your surroundings/wardrobe is key.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    Yes, I prefer to patronize businesses which do not discriminate against law-abiding gun owners.
    But when I truly need something that is available nowhere else, I will patronize "gun free" businesses without altering my, um, mode of dress in any way.
    Concealed is concealed.
    About the same here. "No guns" signs lack force of law in my state, so if necessary... This is of course leaving out places that are actually a problem: bars, schools, etc.

    KG

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    I carry anyway ..
    don't ask ..don't tell ..

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