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    1. #21
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      well said, concealed is concealed ,who can guarantee my safety?? and deny me my constitutional rights to carry and protect my family from the scum that surrounds us
      Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
      Ah, we have another poorly phrased question.

      Yes, I prefer to patronize businesses which do not discriminate against law-abiding gun owners.
      But when I truly need something that is available nowhere else, I will patronize "gun free" businesses without altering my, um, mode of dress in any way.
      Concealed is concealed.

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      Quote Originally Posted by falchunt View Post
      On that note, I'd never push my luck with a federal building or school...

      A clarification (for New York, anyhow): You are forbidden to carry a weapon into an "accredited" school. Some schools are not accredited with the state and they are not covered by the prohibition.

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      That seems contradictory to the info posted at Handgunlaw.us regarding prohibited locations in NY:

      He knowingly has in his possession a rifle, shotgun or firearm in or upon a building or grounds, used
      for educational purposes, of any school, college or university,
      except the forestry lands, wherever
      located, owned and maintained by the State University of New York college of environmental
      science and forestry, without the written authorization of such educational institution; §265.01[3])

      Emphasis mine.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MLB View Post
      That seems contradictory to the info posted at Handgunlaw.us regarding prohibited locations in NY:

      He knowingly has in his possession a rifle, shotgun or firearm in or upon a building or grounds, used
      for educational purposes, of any school, college or university,
      except the forestry lands, wherever
      located, owned and maintained by the State University of New York college of environmental
      science and forestry, without the written authorization of such educational institution; §265.01[3])

      Emphasis mine.
      I will see if I can document this. But for the real world your source is a solid suggestion. It would be hard to know before you walked in a school if it were accredited or not. So you would have to use the "any school..." doctrine to guide your actions. However, I believe my note was correct. I will see if I can find out for sure.

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      You are correct in that your quote is exactly as the statute is written. But there needs to be a legal definition of "school" or we would be excluded from karate schools, firearms training schools, music schools, etc. Clearly there must be a legal definition of "school". I was told that it had to be an accredited school (most day care and preschools are accredited, most karate schools are not).

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      Quote Originally Posted by Packard View Post
      You are correct in that your quote is exactly as the statute is written. But there needs to be a legal definition of "school" or we would be excluded from karate schools, firearms training schools, music schools, etc. Clearly there must be a legal definition of "school". I was told that it had to be an accredited school (most day care and preschools are accredited, most karate schools are not).
      accredited by whom? many dojos ARE accredited by the BBB..... some are inspected and certified by their individual martial arts associations. so again, the definition of these terms allows for just about any interpretation.

      btw, with my oregon chl i can carry , either open or concealed in any public school, college or university in the state.... awesome huh?

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      I carry where it's legal to do so. An establishment will get my business until such a time that I am asked to leave because I am carrying. I will do so without incident and not return after that.

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      Good points. I know that the state of Michigan (I live in Ohio and my ccw is also Ohio) permit holders are not permitted to conceal carry their weapon in any area where there are more than (something like) 1200 people gathered. This is in addition to the restricted areas that Ohio permit holders are not allowed to carry. Just an interesting fact.

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      I carry a concealed weapon. That means nobody needs to know its there, and if they do find out it's probably because something bad is happening. I these cases I don't think signs mean a whole lot...

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      The only time I go anywhere that won't allow concealed carry is I have to go eat out with the in-laws. As for me and my wife I try really, really, really hard to avoid places that serve alcohol. 1. Because I can't legally carry there and 2. because there is always someone who doesn't know when to stop and ends up starting some kind of trouble. For the times I can't take a gun I always have multiple knives (thank God the signs say no handguns and not no concealed weapons)

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      The only places I do not go with my firearm is to court or on an airline. Apart from this, I go everywhere else with it. places with signs indicating firearms are not allowed do not deserve my business, unless its a government establishment.

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      Amen, I like your phrasing, attitude, and uncommon common sense sir.

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      Went to Denney's for breakfast this morning and was dissapointed to see the no ccw sign. Been thinking about it the rest of the day, do I go again, or switch to another breakfast place. I will let them know how I feel when I do the online survey.

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      Quote Originally Posted by XRacer View Post
      Went to Denney's for breakfast this morning and was dissapointed to see the no ccw sign. Been thinking about it the rest of the day, do I go again, or switch to another breakfast place. I will let them know how I feel when I do the online survey.
      I've eaten at the local Denny's and I'd suggest to them that they put up that same sign; the service and food were so bad I felt like shooting the place up. (But I'm a picture of restraint and all my handguns, RPGs an Tomahawk missiles remained holstered, stowed, or in silos.)

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      For the most part, I will not patronize an establishment that posts....it's my right.....

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      FALCHUNT
      You bring up some interesting points
      You say that MI CCW holders are not permitted to....
      Since you are an OHIO CCW Holder, are YOU exempt from that prohibition ?
      Also, since they are not permitted to, does that mean they can OPEN carry ?


      Quote Originally Posted by falchunt View Post
      Good points. I know that the state of Michigan (I live in Ohio and my ccw is also Ohio) permit holders are not permitted to conceal carry their weapon in any area where there are more than (something like) 1200 people gathered. This is in addition to the restricted areas that Ohio permit holders are not allowed to carry. Just an interesting fact.

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      You still have to respect the gun laws for the state the reciprocates. Like some places you can carry a gun into a resturant that serves alcohol as long as the carrier is not drinking. In NC you are not allowed to carry concealed ANY resturant that serves alcohol.

      I know a couple of people that do (but don't drink) and said if they haev to use it then they will deal with the fines, having their gun and license taken away, and the other legal stuff. It is their choice, I however won't put me or my wife in the position of going somewhere I can't defend myself or her. Sometimes I break down and go somewhere. I just tell her she better hopes if something goes down we can make it back to the car.

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      I figure if my gun is not welcome neither am I.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ROGRRR View Post
      FALCHUNT
      You bring up some interesting points
      You say that MI CCW holders are not permitted to....
      Since you are an OHIO CCW Holder, are YOU exempt from that prohibition ?
      Also, since they are not permitted to, does that mean they can OPEN carry ?
      The best thing to do is IF your CCL is honored in another state LEARN that states laws and ABIDE by those laws while in that state.
      End of confusion.

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      I don't look for the signs but if I see one and don't need to go there I won't.Otherwise I'm legal unless I'm made and asked to leave.

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