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      Quote Originally Posted by 2old2worry View Post
      Jason's Deli in Fort Worth has a NO GUNS policy, with sign. I emailed them and received a return telephone call from the district manager. I asked him if he had heard of Luby's in Killeen (1992). He said that he definitely knew about Luby's and was a gunowner himself. He further stated that he didn't think that a customer who was licensed to carry would be bothered by Luby's employees. I told him that I knew the law and that I wouldn't risk losing my CHL or be prosecuted for carrying in posted businesses; that I and my extended family would no longer patronize Luby's.

      Jason's or Luby's????

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      FWIW, I work at the Sportsman's Warehouse in Albuquerque, NM in the gun dept. Our store allows both concealed carry and open carry without exception. However, they draw the line when someone comes in, comes back to the gun department, and then removes his pistol from the holster in order to try it out with other holsters. We don't care for that as most people that do this will not render the firearm safe before trying other holsters! They simply leave them loaded! Otherwise, we don't care if you carry or not. I really thought this was store policy for all of the stores. I haven't been to the store in Colorado, though.

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      per Corporate email, the following business allow lawful carry in their stores

      Email & Letterheads can be downloaded here: NorthWest Citizens Defense League - Store Policy Bulletins

      Fred Meyer / Kroger
      Safeway Weapons Policy
      Best Buy
      Walmart
      Toys R Us
      Barnes & Noble book stores
      Lowes
      Home Depot
      Cabelas (as long as it stays holstered)
      Sportsman's Warehouse (as long as it stays holstered)

      Check out the website: Friend or Foe - TheSecond.us for a list of business friendly and anti in your area. just put in your zip code. Green is pro / Red is anti.

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      Great information sharing by you dude, this is really very nice and a great information inside in it. nice to have this post.

      koozies

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      In NH I've read that no business has the right to tell people they cant carry, and that only the state can say where it is or is not legal to carry. Although it seems like most of the cops here, like most cops I've come across, dont even know the laws they've sworn to enforce. So when someone sees a gun and calls the police it turns into a scene. I cant tell you how many stories I've heard where open carriers were asked for their permit In a state that doesnt require a permit or registration.

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      Only place i wont carry here is where they told me i couldnt in my CCW course.Pretty much just the normal,no federal buildings,banks or places that sell and consume alcohol.As far as stores and such i dont look for signs before i go in.If i have a CCW on me they wont know anyways and ill be damned if myself, or one of my family, will become a statistic because some friggan idiot manager has a power trip and puts a dumb ass sign up.The reason i got the CCW is to protect myself and my family from harm and i will do that till the last breath leaves my body.

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      In Missouri, it doesn't make any difference what signs they put up. You are legally permitted to carry anywhere that isn't specifically banned by state or federal law, such as hospitals, schools, government buildings. Private property owners and businesses can put up all the signs they want. They can't stop you from carrying there. Now if you are careless, and let someone see your gun, and it causes a ruckus, they can ask you to leave. But beyond that, anything goes. So I don't pay much attention to who does or doesn't have signs posted. And Missouri gun laws are mandated state wide. They can NOT be superseded by county or local laws. If you have a permit you can carry anywhere in the state.

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      Quote Originally Posted by benzuncle View Post
      This is a great thread! In Florida, we are "in the middle" so to speak. I think Baldy meant to say that carrying in the Post Office, Schools and Hospitals is forbidden. You can carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol but cannot carry in a bar that serves peanuts and pretzels. That's pretty much a no brainer.

      Jvette's quote: "I don't carry in any business as far as they know. Isn't that the idea of my CCW?" is the method I adopted.
      In Florida, signs posted at the entrances mean only that if you are "discovered" they can ask you to leave and unless you want trouble, you would do well to leave immediately and quietly. If not, then there can be trouble. But if you leave immediately, nothing will happen. Just don't give them a hard time or use hand jestures such as, "You're Number One" if you get my drift. Just leave quietly and peaceably.

      There are cards you can print that can be given to a store should you decide you do not want to do business there. The one I have (Sorry, I can't get it to run though Photobucket) is two-sided. On the front it has a picture of a firearm and a $ sign. Each has the red circle with the line through it. The meaning implied is NO FIREARMS = NONE OF MY MONEY. Below it are the words:
      I have noticed your sign and will respect your
      wishes by taking my business elsewhere.
      I only shop where I can carry.


      On the backside it says:
      As a Citizen with a concealed handgun license, I:
      • Have no felony convictions
      • Have never been convicted of domestic violence
      • Have no history of mental illness or drug addiction
      • Have passed a background check and have my
      fingerprints on file with the Authorities
      • Have passed mandatory training in both the use
      of a firearm and the applicable law
      Can you say that about your other customers?
      I've played different "cards" over the years.... these....



      If you want to make your own, here are links to the front and back of the cards in a business card format. You can edit them to reflect your state's requirements.

      card front

      card back


      You can get the business card stock at Walmart for $5 per 100 cards

      Indiana is another State where a "no guns" sign does not carry the weight of law. Only a few places are forbidden.

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      Does anyone know any businesses on the Mississippi Gulf Coast that don't allow carrying?

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      Last I read, some places are universally no carry. Like Bars(not restaurants that serve booze), POs, courthouses, any government building that does official business, police & sheriff departments & schools.

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      Quote Originally Posted by jd_mitchell View Post
      Last I read, some places are universally no carry. Like Bars(not restaurants that serve booze), POs, courthouses, any government building that does official business, police & sheriff departments & schools.
      Check your State's laws. Some restrictions are universal, and some are not.

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      Quote Originally Posted by jd_mitchell View Post
      Last I read, some places are universally no carry. Like Bars(not restaurants that serve booze), POs, courthouses, any government building that does official business, police & sheriff departments & schools.
      Universal? No, bars and schools in particular vary from state to state. And for the love of Pete, use a font that doesn't scorch our eyes.

      KG

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      Jared's Jewerly, Loveland, CO has conspicuous sign that not only prohibits CCW in store but anywhere on the property including the parking lot.

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      I think in Fl if you are in a restaurant that sells alcohol, and has a bar. you may not be in the bar section but you may be in the dinning section, and no consumption of alcohol while carrying, may be wrong but was told that somewhere, and private signs in FL are not by law, they can ask you to leave , but not have you arrested,

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      Quote Originally Posted by prevost View Post
      I think in Fl if you are in a restaurant that sells alcohol, and has a bar. you may not be in the bar section but you may be in the dinning section
      I've heard it both ways; that it's OK to eat in the bar area, but not belly up to the bar itself or the entire bar area is off limits. As I avoid the bar area like the plague anyway because of the noise and usually they have high tables and stools that don't mix well with my kids, I don't worry about it.

      Quote Originally Posted by prevost View Post
      private signs in FL are not by law, they can ask you to leave , but not have you arrested,
      Private signs carry no legal right by themselves here. However if you are discovered to be carrying an a posted no-carry business, they have the right to ask you to leave. If you don't leave, then you can be charged with criminal trespass.

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      In Florida can't carry in Po Gov Building Schools Bars that don't sell half of their income in food Hospitals are ok but no menial health hospitals county board meetings courts law enforcement buldings I think that is right and all will check

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      We as gun owners and carriers have to decide how far we are willing to go to not support anti gun companies or individuals.

      It sounds good on paper but in reality it would lead to a pretty boring, antisocial life not to mention a very limited employment market. Here is an older list so there is probably more now. Generally speaking businesses do not care if we tell them we will not be back since they do not allow firearms we are the minority in this situation.

      Anti-gun Companies, Organizations, Media And Celebrities - Gun Owners Of America

      If someone chose to go all out and not do business or support anti gun places you would not send your kids to school as most of not all administrator and teacher and educational organizations are anti gun. You could not seek medical treatment as again most MD and nurse's organizations are anti gun. You could not have a union job as they are anti also.

      Movies and music would be out also as many artists and actors are against firearms. Sports would be limited as some professional athlete's do not approve of firearm ownership. Forget the AARP, PTA or whatever they are called now, and you would have to think twice about your religious preference as many governing bodies of churches are also anti gun.

      People in general will support a cause as long as it does not effect their daily life to much. I don't know how many times I have heard someone say I will never shop at Walmart again but yet they are in the store two days later. It is the property owners right to say what comes onto or into their place of business as long as they do not discriminate against race, religion, handicap and so on. Carrying openly or concealed is not a category in any of these so we have to make our own choice as to where we go and spend our money.

      One thing to keep in mind is that while we carry concealed and no one knows IF we ever had to use our weapon in one of these posted places we could be in a heap of trouble. Generally speaking one of the first questions asked as part of the question "What a reasonable and prudent person would do in the same situation" is "Were they legally there in the first place?". If the answer to that question is no most of the time anything that happened after that even if you save the day is a moot point.

      In our crazy mixed up legal system things that should not happen do even with the best of intentions. Not long ago a restaurant employee was carrying against company policy and shot and killed an armed robber. He had the best of intentions and probably saved lives but he was terminated for his actions. Should the family of the deceased, unless a state law applies and prevents it, could sue the restaurant chain because the employee was "illegally" in regards to company policy, carrying a firearm that led to the death of the individual.

      In regards to employers banning their employees from carrying there is something on the books called "The Law of Vicarious Liability" which states an employer could be held liable for acts committed by the employee. Same thing for parents could be held liable for actions of their children. This liability can even be extended to a vehicle owner who loans their vehicle to someone you are responsible for what they do just as if they were driving the car themselves.

      I apologize for being long winded but there is a lot to consider in regards to this.

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      7-11, 22nd/post road, Indianapolis, IN. Asked for 20 in gas then offered him a 20$ bill and he informed me I had to leave because I had a gun and I could be a robber.

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      How did he know you had a gun? If you were open carrying, you asked for it. Deal with it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by usmcj View Post
      How did he know you had a gun? If you were open carrying, you asked for it. Deal with it.
      There's no need to be rude. Some of us aren't interested in supporting businesses that oppose open carry, either.

      KG

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