We as gun owners and carriers have to decide how far we are willing to go to not support anti gun companies or individuals.

It sounds good on paper but in reality it would lead to a pretty boring, antisocial life not to mention a very limited employment market. Here is an older list so there is probably more now. Generally speaking businesses do not care if we tell them we will not be back since they do not allow firearms we are the minority in this situation.

Anti-gun Companies, Organizations, Media And Celebrities - Gun Owners Of America

If someone chose to go all out and not do business or support anti gun places you would not send your kids to school as most of not all administrator and teacher and educational organizations are anti gun. You could not seek medical treatment as again most MD and nurse's organizations are anti gun. You could not have a union job as they are anti also.

Movies and music would be out also as many artists and actors are against firearms. Sports would be limited as some professional athlete's do not approve of firearm ownership. Forget the AARP, PTA or whatever they are called now, and you would have to think twice about your religious preference as many governing bodies of churches are also anti gun.

People in general will support a cause as long as it does not effect their daily life to much. I don't know how many times I have heard someone say I will never shop at Walmart again but yet they are in the store two days later. It is the property owners right to say what comes onto or into their place of business as long as they do not discriminate against race, religion, handicap and so on. Carrying openly or concealed is not a category in any of these so we have to make our own choice as to where we go and spend our money.

One thing to keep in mind is that while we carry concealed and no one knows IF we ever had to use our weapon in one of these posted places we could be in a heap of trouble. Generally speaking one of the first questions asked as part of the question "What a reasonable and prudent person would do in the same situation" is "Were they legally there in the first place?". If the answer to that question is no most of the time anything that happened after that even if you save the day is a moot point.

In our crazy mixed up legal system things that should not happen do even with the best of intentions. Not long ago a restaurant employee was carrying against company policy and shot and killed an armed robber. He had the best of intentions and probably saved lives but he was terminated for his actions. Should the family of the deceased, unless a state law applies and prevents it, could sue the restaurant chain because the employee was "illegally" in regards to company policy, carrying a firearm that led to the death of the individual.

In regards to employers banning their employees from carrying there is something on the books called "The Law of Vicarious Liability" which states an employer could be held liable for acts committed by the employee. Same thing for parents could be held liable for actions of their children. This liability can even be extended to a vehicle owner who loans their vehicle to someone you are responsible for what they do just as if they were driving the car themselves.

I apologize for being long winded but there is a lot to consider in regards to this.

7-11, 22nd/post road, Indianapolis, IN. Asked for 20 in gas then offered him a 20$ bill and he informed me I had to leave because I had a gun and I could be a robber.

How did he know you had a gun? If you were open carrying, you asked for it. Deal with it.

Originally Posted by usmcj

How did he know you had a gun? If you were open carrying, you asked for it. Deal with it.

There's no need to be rude. Some of us aren't interested in supporting businesses that oppose open carry, either.

KG

Originally Posted by kg333

There's no need to be rude. Some of us aren't interested in supporting businesses that oppose open carry, either.

KG

Not rude. To the point.

Businesses don't have to know the law, you do. And, you should also know that not all business owners respect your gun rights. If any gun owner flaunts a legal mode of carry, it could well be perceived by a business owner as a confrontation. On private property, YOU, open carrying, will lose any legal decision. Indiana allows for open carry as well. I choose not to adopt that mode of carry. ANYONE who CHOOSES to carry openly leaves themselves open to the whims of any private property owner. And with all due respect... sir..... he/she who open carries and is asked to leave private property, is left only two options...

to leave,
and to just deal with it

By the way... In Indianapolis, there have been several "open carry demonstrations". They have served to only send the public scurrying away, and cause mothers to leave with their children. One of these days, someone open carrying, is going to innocently frighten some lawmakers' daughter, and all the bluster and bravado regarding some who open carry will be gone in a cloud of legislative dust. You jump on whatever wagon you want to ride in, and I truly hope it supports you.

Originally Posted by usmcj

Not rude. To the point.

Those are frequently synonymous. The purpose of this thread is to point out businesses that don't support gun rights. Benny1636 reported such a business in a factual manner, and there's really not much reason to harass him about his method of carry.

Originally Posted by usmcj

Businesses don't have to know the law, you do. And, you should also know that not all business owners respect your gun rights.

That would the entire point of this thread...to point out business owners that don't respect our gun rights, so that we don't have to patronize them, should we so choose.

This really isn't a thread to discuss the pros and cons of open carry...I prefer not to myself, but I consider it important, as do a fair number of people on this board. Your picture of "wagons to jump in" is unnecessarily divisive in this context. I found Benny's post relevant, and would not choose to support a business that feels it necessary to groundlessly accuse a private citizen with an openly carried firearm.

KG

I find it interesting that Benny didn't answer my question as to how the business owner knew he was armed. The vast majority of businesses WANT your business. kg, YOUR definition as to the point of this thread, should be a given in a gun-related forum. Businesses won't always respect your gun rights. So why in the world would you, knowing that, waltz right into an establishment with a firearm on your hip, virtually challenging the owner to do something about it.

This thread is titled, "business that don't want us". That in itself invites the mode of carry issue. Tell me this, sir..... do you honestly think there would have been ANY ISSUE AT ALL, had Mr. Benny been carrying concealed? You can bet your butt there would NOT have been a word said. Mode of carry quite often frightens people. You don't solve someone's irrational fear of spiders by dangling a spider in front of 'em.

By the way, I have frequented the 7-11 at 22nd, and Post Road in Indy on many occasions. I have always carried concealed, and never had an issue there. KG, since you've inserted yourself into my questions for Benny, do you think the business owner at the 7-11 was truly anti gun, or could he have been anti open-carry? ..... how would you know?

Another thought for you sir. I don't know how familiar you might be thei the area of 22nd and Post Road in Indianapolis, bult it's not an area that you see mothers walking their children. The business owner may well have sought to avoid any gang-related confrontation due to any obvious presence of a firearm.

... I'm a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment. The 2nd Amendment in no way grants you ANY rights, perceived, or otherwise, on private property. You can carry in my town due to the 2nd Amendment. You can carry on my property ONLY WITH MY CONSENT.... regardless of whether my property is a business or my home.

I was in full compliance with the law. There is nothing illegal about open carry. To see a legal citizen open carrying a firearm tells you that he is a law abiding citizen who has never been convicted of a felony and is in a sound mental state. To say I asked to be kicked out of a gas station for trying to purchase gas while offering the teller cash is ignorant. To say that I asked for it because I didnt have a shirt concealing my gun is ignorant. Obviously the place doesnt want the business because he didnt say cover it and I can sell you gas he said I had to leave because I could be a robber, which, is ignorant. To say that the area that I was carrying a full sized firearm in was a dangerous gang area then chastize me for carrying a full sized firearm that I could not conceal in that area was ignorant, is ignorant. I happened to work a job at the time (And was on the clock) that was dangerous and required me to carry a gun. Seeing as how my life was on the line I didnt want a pocket .380 (which is what i normally carry when not on the clock) and carried a full sized glock .40 which isnt exactly easy to conceal during the summer months. Police officers open carry for the same reason. Police officers are not harrassed, kicked out of businesses, or told "They had it coming" from forum nazi's. I value my life as much as police officers value theirs. And furthermore I did deal with it. I never went to another 7/11 then I made a post here in this forum. I could care less what you or anyone else thinks. I will carry how I want and when I want as long as its within the law. Who's side are you on?

I'm on the side of common sense.

Common sense... open carry is NOT necessarily legal on any private property that you do not own. To open carry on private property, without checking first, unless you're an LEO, is .... in fact ...... ignorant.....

Police officers carry the weight of law, YOU DO NOT.

I will carry how I want and when I want as long as its within the law.

Quote me the law that allows you to carry in any fashion on another person's private property.

Forum nazi? Wow... all by yerself? I'm done. You have a great day.

Originally Posted by usmcj

I'm on the side of common sense.

Common sense... open carry is NOT necessarily legal on any private property that you do not own. To open carry on private property, without checking first, unless you're an LEO, is .... in fact ...... ignorant.....

Police officers carry the weight of law, YOU DO NOT.



Quote me the law that allows you to carry in any fashion on another person's private property.

Forum nazi? Wow... all by yerself? I'm done. You have a great day.

Common sense would say dont go to a handgun forum and take the side of an ignorant anti gun immigrant (african if I placed his accent right) over the side of a man you've never met that was refused patronage for exercising his legal rights. Open carry is in fact legal on all private property except for schools, government buildings, airports, and on planes. In the state of indiana "No firearms" signs do not carry the weight of the law unless posted on the above properties. So in fact it is legal to carry on ANYONES private property if you want me to quote the law. They however, may ask you to leave. Which holds true weather you have a firearm or not. And I do not think I should have to walk into a business and ask if I can be allowed to exercise my constitutional right in their establishment before I purchase something. Do you ask every gas station and business you enter if you may concealed carry in their establishment before you enter? I suspect not, otherwise you wouldnt be shopping at the 7/11 on 22nd and post.What does it matter if you open carry or conceal carry, you still have a firearm on you. Just because something is your opinion doesnt make it fact. And yes, I say forum nazi because I make my first post on a handgun forum in a thread where the material is relevent and I get a forum nazi (you) jumping my ass already for the way I carry. In your mind you seriously have talked yourself into believing that carrying firearms is ok, but only if theres a milimeter of fabric seperating it from view. And furthermore, you are being very judgemental and abbrassive toward me and you dont even know me. Just because something is YOUR way doesnt make it the ONLY way. I suspect this isnt the only forum post you've been a nazi in. And thank you for being done, you may now return to onlypoliceshouldhaveguns.com.

It appears that Buffalo Wild Wings has now moved to a corporate policy banning firearms...my local one has been posted for a while, but supposedly they're now posted across the country. Anyone else seen this sign?

Buffalo Wild Wings BANS Guns

KG

Every state college in PA doesn't allow concealed carry. There is, however, no state law against it...so what they don't know won't hurt 'em. I'll be damned if they think I'm okay with risking being another statistic because their liberal asses don't understand that we're good people.

In Texas, it was explained to me that we can carry in all but the following locations:

Government Buildings
Post Offices
Hospitals
Schools
Police Stations(obviously)
Any place with a 30.06 guns not allowed signed
A location selling alcohol posting a "50% alcohol sales" sign posted

I am thinking there is one or two places that I am forgetting but this is as complete as remembered.

It is best to check local laws on this.

Hope this helps.

Here in Oregon, or at least in the Grants Pass Dutch Bros. Coffee House has a "No Weapons" sign posted.

Originally Posted by Benny1636

Common sense would say dont go to a handgun forum and take the side of an ignorant anti gun immigrant (african if I placed his accent right) over the side of a man you've never met that was refused patronage for exercising his legal rights. Open carry is in fact legal on all private property except for schools, government buildings, airports, and on planes. In the state of indiana "No firearms" signs do not carry the weight of the law unless posted on the above properties. So in fact it is legal to carry on ANYONES private property if you want me to quote the law. They however, may ask you to leave. Which holds true weather you have a firearm or not. And I do not think I should have to walk into a business and ask if I can be allowed to exercise my constitutional right in their establishment before I purchase something. Do you ask every gas station and business you enter if you may concealed carry in their establishment before you enter? I suspect not, otherwise you wouldnt be shopping at the 7/11 on 22nd and post.What does it matter if you open carry or conceal carry, you still have a firearm on you. Just because something is your opinion doesnt make it fact. And yes, I say forum nazi because I make my first post on a handgun forum in a thread where the material is relevent and I get a forum nazi (you) jumping my ass already for the way I carry. In your mind you seriously have talked yourself into believing that carrying firearms is ok, but only if theres a milimeter of fabric seperating it from view. And furthermore, you are being very judgemental and abbrassive toward me and you dont even know me. Just because something is YOUR way doesnt make it the ONLY way. I suspect this isnt the only forum post you've been a nazi in. And thank you for being done, you may now return to onlypoliceshouldhaveguns.com.

Do not forget there constitutional rights. They can and do have the right to tell you to leave. They can do it if they see your gun. Legal or not. Property owners have rights just like we have rights. Lets try not to make this "my right is more important than yours" it doesnt work that way.