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    Quote Originally Posted by kg333 View Post
    For these large chains, like Buffalo Wild Wings and Kroger, would CCW policy be determined at corporate or by the local manager or owner? I know the local guy does get some leeway in how he runs the store.

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    I apparently will never know with Kroger. I have written them twice now asking if indeed it was a corporate policy or manger policy and apparently they have felt my concern does not warrant a response. Therefore, I have decided they do no warrant my business.

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    I don't carry in any business as far as they know. Isn't that the idea of my CCW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jvette View Post
    I don't carry in any business as far as they know. Isn't that the idea of my CCW.
    So, you ignore "No Guns" signs and carry anyway or are you in a state where the signs carry no weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    So, you ignore "No Guns" signs and carry anyway or are you in a state where the signs carry no weight?
    He's in KY, signs carry no legal weight there, all they can do is ask him to leave if they discover he's carrying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jvette View Post
    I don't carry in any business as far as they know. Isn't that the idea of my CCW.
    Even if the sign doesn't carry any legal weight, I would still prefer not to do business with a store, restaurant, etc., that chose to post a sign.
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    This is a great thread! In Florida, we are "in the middle" so to speak. I think Baldy meant to say that carrying in the Post Office, Schools and Hospitals is forbidden. You can carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol but cannot carry in a bar that serves peanuts and pretzels. That's pretty much a no brainer.

    Jvette's quote: "I don't carry in any business as far as they know. Isn't that the idea of my CCW?" is the method I adopted.
    In Florida, signs posted at the entrances mean only that if you are "discovered" they can ask you to leave and unless you want trouble, you would do well to leave immediately and quietly. If not, then there can be trouble. But if you leave immediately, nothing will happen. Just don't give them a hard time or use hand jestures such as, "You're Number One" if you get my drift. Just leave quietly and peaceably.

    There are cards you can print that can be given to a store should you decide you do not want to do business there. The one I have (Sorry, I can't get it to run though Photobucket) is two-sided. On the front it has a picture of a firearm and a $ sign. Each has the red circle with the line through it. The meaning implied is NO FIREARMS = NONE OF MY MONEY. Below it are the words:
    I have noticed your sign and will respect your
    wishes by taking my business elsewhere.
    I only shop where I can carry.


    On the backside it says:
    As a Citizen with a concealed handgun license, I:
    Have no felony convictions
    Have never been convicted of domestic violence
    Have no history of mental illness or drug addiction
    Have passed a background check and have my
    fingerprints on file with the Authorities
    Have passed mandatory training in both the use
    of a firearm and the applicable law
    Can you say that about your other customers?

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    'ya know...on the blue forum skin that yellow is all but impossible to read...
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    Ya know, I didn't even know that there was a blue forum skin! My apologies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bruce333 View Post
    He's in KY, signs carry no legal weight there, all they can do is ask him to leave if they discover he's carrying.
    Man, I wish that was the case here!

    Quote Originally Posted by bruce333 View Post
    Even if the sign doesn't carry any legal weight, I would still prefer not to do business with a store, restaurant, etc., that chose to post a sign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    I apparently will never know with Kroger. I have written them twice now asking if indeed it was a corporate policy or manger policy and apparently they have felt my concern does not warrant a response. Therefore, I have decided they do no warrant my business.

    I have never seen a kroger posted and i used to have a friend that was a security guard for kroger and he said they do not have any restrictions regarding concealed carry. Sounds like you are dealing with a managers or district managers policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpruett79 View Post
    I have never seen a kroger posted and i used to have a friend that was a security guard for kroger and he said they do not have any restrictions regarding concealed carry. Sounds like you are dealing with a managers or district managers policy.

    Same here in Ohio - I carry in Kroger all over the State. Must be a manager thing.

    Also maybe it has something to do with the type of liquor license they have - in Ohio

    "Licensed D-Liquor Permit premises in which any person is consuming
    liquor.
    Concealed firearms are banned in premises for which a D permit
    has been issued or in an open air arena for which a permit
    12 of that nature has been issued. There are some exceptions to this
    prohibition. The prohibition does not apply to principal holder
    of D permit as long as principal holder is not consuming liquor.
    The prohibition does not apply to an agent or employee of the
    principal holder who is also a peace officer who is also off duty.
    Possession of a concealed firearm is allowed in a retail store with
    a D-6 or D-8 permit as long as concealed carry license holder is
    not consuming liquor. Class D permits are generally issued to an
    establishment that sells alcohol for consumption on the premises.
    In any event, be certain of the type of permit and whether liquor is
    being consumed before you enter with a concealed handgun."

    D6 ORC 4303.182 Sale of intoxicating liquor on Sunday between the hours 1:00pm and midnight.

    D8 ORC 4303.184 Sale of tasting samples of beer, wine, and mixed beverages, but not spirituous liquor,
    at retail, for consumption on premises

    That Kroger may have a liquor license that prohibits the carry of a concealed weapon.
    Last edited by SaltyDog; 04-12-2009 at 07:41 PM. Reason: Liquor License

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    Quote Originally Posted by benzuncle View Post
    This is a great thread!
    I won't quote your whole post, but I think that card is brilliant. I hear in other forums a similar sentiment from law enforcement; if you have a CCW, they can be somewhat certain that you're at least an upstanding citizen. Maybe not enough to make the assumption, but it's a good start!

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    Well on the other hand

    Several things come to mind here;

    1. If it is concealed, you would be the only one to know you were carrying.

    2. I would rather have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it. We encourage crime zones by barring guns from public places. The best place for criminals is where the chances of armed combatants are the least.

    3. In cases of public shootings, the shooting stops when an armed good guy arrives.

    If my gun is not welcome, then neither am I. This is why I do not vacation in Canada or Mexico.

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    I am in Ohio. I have on ly been carrying for less than a week but I have been looking for signs but I have not found any with in my normal routine. I will not do buisness with any store that wont let me carry.

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    Guns banned

    For many years, the local Lowes Home Improvement stores posted signs against weapons inside the stores. During these years, many people were robbed as they were leaving the stores.

    Several of the local people sent letters to Lowes and the signs were removed. Afterward, the number of personal robberies went to almost nothing.

    I am not saying the company policy was changed or that the local stores changed policy but whichever, the letters must have had an effect.

    Our involvement in positive ways helps all gun owners and the honest citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruce333
    Even if the sign doesn't carry any legal weight, I would still prefer not to do business with a store, restaurant, etc., that chose to post a sign.
    Here in Ohio as with many other States, some places are automatically off limits for CCW. But there are those that either choose to or are too ignorant of the proven facts about lawful citizens with a CCW license. They lump all who carry together.. You all know that Guns are evil and "Guns kill people"
    One of the very popular Gun forums in Ohio," Ohioans for Concealed Carry" has a section called "DNPWA" which stands for Do not patronize while armed, which is to give it's members in particular a heads-up as to whether or not a business is anti-guns. In general the feeling here is, if a business "posts" then they are avoided by the legally carrying citizens and many are left with a business card that plainly states that since you (the business) has chosen to prohibit law abiding citizens from exercising their 2nd A rights we will respect your wishes and take our business and money to your competitor. "No Guns = No Money"
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    Here is a link to all of the stores in MI to avoid to date. http://mcrgo.org/mcrgo/d_no_gun_signs.asp

    You can click on county for it to change to alphabetical order by county.

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    I dunno if you all are aware but the NRA is suing the city of seattle for a ban they placed on CC in city owend buildings/parks. The gun grabbers argument is that it is to "Keep children safe". The NRA stance is that the mayor of seattle overstepped his bound by making rules that are clearly illegal to to state pre-emption that states no locality or city make make laws that conflict with or are more strict than the state laws regarding guns.

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