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    I didn't mean to imply that Tx law was applicable in Mi. Just using it as an example. Some states ban the posession of a firearm in church as did Tx. until the legislature wised up to all the shootings & murders in churches across the nation in the past few years. There are 4 Catholic parishes in the city in which I live and none of them are posted as required by law if they don't want parishoners carrying into the building. so if it was a papal decree all of them would be posted.

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    i attend church regularly, in fact i am an Asst. Missouri State Coordinator for a christian Motorcycle ministry, and i carry everywhere i go. Jesus himself told his disciples that if they did not have sword, that they should sell their cloak and buy one. That is good enough for me.

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    Yes I do carry at church, along with two other ccw holders. We have the entrances and exits covered by the way we sit. When most worshippers have their eyes closed, ours are opened and scanning the area. I am sorry for the idiot with bad intentions.

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    Confused with Bible quote

    Quote Originally Posted by Rickfrl View Post
    i attend church regularly, in fact i am an Asst. Missouri State Coordinator for a christian Motorcycle ministry, and i carry everywhere i go. Jesus himself told his disciples that if they did not have sword, that they should sell their cloak and buy one. That is good enough for me.
    As to CCW in church it is a no brainer, but concealed and qualified should be the rule of thumb. I am no Bible scholar but a search for "cloak" only reveals Jesus saying to give it up? I am curious of where "Jesus told his disciples to buy one"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by agill View Post
    As to CCW in church it is a no brainer, but concealed and qualified should be the rule of thumb. I am no Bible scholar but a search for "cloak" only reveals Jesus saying to give it up? I am curious of where "Jesus told his disciples to buy one"?
    Luke 22:36,

    He (Jesus at the last supper) said to them, "but now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." NIV.

    Since 1999 there have been 174 people murdered while at church or on church related property. Annually over 800,000 children are sexually assaulted, many while at church.

    As the shepherd had a responibility to guard and protect his flock, we have a bilically mandated duty to guard our flock today and that means to be ever vigilent and have our sword (gun) at all times. David had a sling to protect his flock (the people of Israel) from the lions & ravenous wolves (Goliath & the Philistines) and today we have our guns to protect our congregations from those who would commit murder & mayhem within our walls.

    See www.copandcross.com for more info.

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    Many of us carry to church. The pastor carries too. Our church passes out Bibles at the mosque and it is an activity that carries with it a certain element of danger. The pastor talked about carrying one day because I guess some of the congregation questioned it. He said self defense is provided for in the Bible by God. Besides many of the disciples carried the finest weaponry available at the time. Simon the Zealot (the Zealots were active revolutionaries) and Peter for sure (he cut the soldier's ear off in the garden when they seized Jesus). If Jesus had no problem with people carrying weapons for self defense why should we?

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    I'd ESPECIALLY carry during church, not that I go to church but with all the religious fanatics out there, couldn't hurt

    Im even scared of fundamentalists christians these days

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakeleinen1 View Post
    Im even scared of fundamentalists christians these days
    Why would you be afraid of fundamentalist Christians. They are only people who believe the Bible is the word of God and try their best to live by it. Appears you have been listening too much to Janet Napalitano.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakeleinen1 View Post
    I'd ESPECIALLY carry during church, not that I go to church but with all the religious fanatics out there, couldn't hurt

    Im even scared of fundamentalists christians these days
    That's the problem when we get educated by the media. Our opinions are based on the "truths" we are told. There are very few religious fanatics out there but they get lots more air time on TV than they deserve.

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    Not me. Georgia law makes it illegal. I am sure that I'd never need it in church.

    Carrying Weapons in an Unauthorized Location:
    In a place of worship.
    Georgia Code 16-11-127

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    Quote Originally Posted by illusive man View Post
    i'm an assistant pastor at my church and am armed every sunday. I'm also armed at bible studies (they are held at night). Criminals don't respect god's house and never expect anyone in church to be armed, so i'm just as at risk on sunday morning as i am any other time.
    amen !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vintage Racer View Post
    Not me. I am sure that I'd never need it in church.
    What makes you so sure? Are you aware that in 2012 there were 29 murders either in churches or on church property? Perhaps Georgia should change their law as Texas did in '07. Churches here must post signs at every entrance if they don't want people to carry. I live in a city of 150,000 and there is only one church that has the required signage.

    Our church has gone so far as to amend the church bylaws so that CH Licensees are welcome to carry.

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    Church policy is no guns but if it changed I would. Just because you are in a church it dosent mean you are safe. You have wackos every where. God may not like you shooting someone in his house but i dont want to see him any earlier than I have to. Amen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grey-wolf View Post
    Church policy is no guns but if it changed I would. Just because you are in a church it dosent mean you are safe. You have wackos every where. God may not like you shooting someone in his house but i dont want to see him any earlier than I have to. Amen.
    You know I don't think the Lord wants His people shot up in His house by some derranged individual. I also think He gave us enough common sense to defend and protect His people. Grey Wolf have your pastor and church leaders go to the following website and read the info found there specially the Church Crime history. Ministry Violence Statistics
    If that doesn't wake them up they have their heads buried deep in the sand. Perhaps you should seek a new place to worship or a new pastor.

    Most of those incidents could have been prevented by armed parishoners.

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    I do most of the time, but at times my attire does not make it a possibility due to my carry options are not small pistols.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berettatoter View Post
    I do most of the time, but at times my attire does not make it a possibility due to my carry options are not small pistols.
    I have several guns that I carry, depending on my dress, from a Kimber Solo 9mm to a Kimber Ultra CDP 45acp, a Colt Det Spl 38 to a Springfield EMP 9mm. I use a Versa-Carry holster ( Versacarry :: The Original ZeroBulk Holster ) when I'm wearing just a sport or T shirt. If I'm wearing a jacket I usually use a regular type holster. There are many modes of dress and many small pistols that pack sufficient wallop with the right ammo that are more than adequate for self defence. I prefer the Hornady Critical Defence in the smaller ( .380, 9mm 38 spl) calibers and the Critical Duty ammo in the larger calibers. I even carry a NAA 22mag Mini revolver as a backup on the rare occasion.

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    I go to Mass every week and my Glock 19 is with me every time. I see no difference in carrying there or at Walmart. As far as guns not being allowed in the Catholic church, my home parish here in Tennessee is not posted so I'll carry. I've been to several other parishes in Tennessee as well as Kentucky and they weren't posted either. I also never forget to pray to God that I never have to use my weapon, but if I do,that he will help me shoot straight and accurate.......

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    If it's legal, I'm packin and here it's legal. My church usually has an offering of a few thousand dollars each Sunday and a good bit of that is cash money. That would make a tempting target for an armed robber. In addition, as others here have already mentioned, churches are not immune from violence.
    Better to have it and not need it than to need it an not have it.

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    when they don't put enough money in the basket, I usually just give a little flash of my gun very discreetly and they go back into their pockets for more donation money. It does not always work sometimes they flash back their own carry piece and I move on ... bad humor.

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    I carry during any and all church activities. There are a lot of us in that category, but we keep it fairly discreet. Heck, even one of our Pastors carries! Our church and demonination has no policy or opinion on the matter; they leave it up to the local congregation and laws.

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    A friend belongs to a church that even offered to hold CCW classes for members, and he suspect that there are a number that carry to church routinely.

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    When I was just a kid my Grandfather told me a story about his father who always carried a pistol with him to church. Great GrandPa had been a real bad@ss back in his day but after getting married he settled down and became a respected business owner somewhere in Arkansas. There had been a couple attempted robberies of his store in the past and he had shot and killed the perps on both cases. One day Great GrandMa had talked him into leaving the pistol at home when they went to church. Bad idea, coming out of church at he end of services he was spotted by two men who were related to one of his robbers. They attempted to knife him there in front of his family. Great GrandPa tore off one of the iron fence posts from the church fence and beat the hell out of both of them. He would have killed both of them but the preacher stopped him. My Grand Pa said his father always carried after that incident. I follow in his footsteps too.

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    Yes..
    Every flock needs a few sheep dogs ..

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    Hey why not? Then if there are any issues you can send people to meet Jesus express.

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