I voted YES. I don't think I would actively boycott the business but I plan to carry often after I am licensed to do so. If I am carrying and I see a "No Guns" sign I wont go in, not to boycott but rather to respect that businesses policy. It's their business, if they don't want mine if I carry a gun then they won't get it. I will say that here in KY I have only seen those signs on Government buildings so I don't expect it to be much of an issue.

I work for an international pizza chain. We are not a gun-free business when it comes to our customers, but employees are strictly prohibited from being armed. Oh well if I don't get paid I wont be able to buy ammo or more guns, rock and a hard place.

I obey all of the laws in Arizona regarding concealed carry, and open carry. If guns are posted off limits in stores, the law says you should not enter with them. I prefer just to stay out of the store. There is always somewhere else. If a business is anti-seconed amendment in their policies, they will not get my money.

The exception in my thinking is the gun shop, where it is much safer if people are not entering with loaded pistols and then attempting to clear them in the store for some reason.

Where could I find out about Texas and these signs? I know we have the 51% (liquor) sign and the 30.06 (?) sign, but don't know the legality of the computer printed/handwritten "No guns" sign. I didn't vote because I'm so new to the issue of gun ownership period so I feel my opinion will not carry much weight...

Originally Posted by jmm076

Where could I find out about Texas and these signs? I know we have the 51% (liquor) sign and the 30.06 (?) sign, but don't know the legality of the computer printed/handwritten "No guns" sign. I didn't vote because I'm so new to the issue of gun ownership period so I feel my opinion will not carry much weight...

This might be a good place to start for you. http://www.oag.state.tx.us/alerts/al...?id=110&type=3

From what I have understood from the Texas members, if the sign does not meet your state's specific sign rules, the sign is useless. I'm sure someone from Texas will chime in soon to confirm or deny that.

Originally Posted by Todd

There are currently a few businesses that have NO GUNS or NO CCW signs that I refuse to do business with. If a store is posted here in NC, even if it's written on cardboard with crayon, the sign is valid and it's a criminal trespass charge if you're caught carrying. Even though concealed does mean concealed, I don't break the law by going in. I just give another store my money.

The only place I do business that is posted is my wife's employer. Her office is not posted, but the building where they rent space is. My wife's boss gives us a HUGE discount on therapy for my son, so a savings of $600 - $1200 a month puts my politics on the back burner in that one case.

Thankfully, it's a little different in Texas. There are three, and only three, cases where a CHL is forbidden from entering or remaining on the premises due to notification being given (there are places that are statutorily restricted and do not require signage, but that's another side of it). Of course OC is illegal so CC is the only thing the law is concerned with regulating. First is a 30.06 sign. TPC Sec. 30.06 has very specific guidelines for the wording, size, color and display of a sign to be posted by businesses not wishing to allow CHLs to enter while carrying. If it doesn't meet those specifications, the sign is nonbinding regardless of intent. Thus, "gunbuster" and similar signs can be totally ignored.

Second is a 51% sign. Any establishment with a liquor license must post a specifically-worded sign stating that the unlicensed carry of a weapon on the premises is a felony. For establishments that make 51% or more of their revenue from the sale of alcohol for on-premises consumption, the sign has two extra words that prohibit licensed carry as well. Because the signs otherwise look the same, the one that prohibits licensed carry must have a big red 51% in the background of the sign to make it obvious it's the one a CHL must pay attention to.

Third, and pretty universal, is verbal notice. If someone tells you you are not welcome and must leave the premises, for any reason, and you fail to do so, you are trespassing. If you're a CHL, carrying, and they tell you they don't want your weapon in the building, that's a bigger boo-boo (trespass by a CHL holder, a felony) than simple trespass (a misdemeanor). Of course, your gun being noticed is a crime in and of itself (failure to conceal, which is generally prosecuted as unlawful carry).

Wow.

I didn't realize that taking away your right to carry a concealed weapon was the same thing as slapping your mother.

It's not a personal insult here guys.

A lot of the time they are forced to do that, because in order for that business to have any kind of insurance coverage, they have to remove some liability and even then they still have to pay out the behind on premiums.

Originally Posted by blankcheque

Wow.

I didn't realize that taking away your right to carry a concealed weapon was the same thing as slapping your mother.

It's not a personal insult here guys.

A lot of the time they are forced to do that, because in order for that business to have any kind of insurance coverage, they have to remove some liability and even then they still have to pay out the behind on premiums.

Wow? Wow? You do realize that you are on a gun forum, right? Most people here are extremely Pro 2A and Pro NRA. How can you be surprised at the responses?

If you want to do business with people that want to infringe in your right to carry, and reason it's for insurance purposes, go right ahead. It's a free country. Disarm and hope to God you don't need your gun while in that store. I prefer to shop somewhere where I know my 2A rights aren't denied and, more importantly, my safety and the safety of my family does not hinge on the abilities of some high school kid or 70 year-old man dressed in a rent-a-cop uniform.

So why treat it as a personal insult? I'm well aware of the type of forum I'm on. But some of the members here have a loose grip on reality.

It's purpose is to keep the shop in business. Not because they've got a group of cowboys ready to round the corner and take your purchase and rob you blind at gun point.

And someones signature on here said it best, criminals are looking for victims, not challengers, someone coming out of a gun store isn't exactly going to go down with out a fight. And criminals by nature are lazy.

Originally Posted by blankcheque

criminals are looking for victims, not challengers...criminals by nature are lazy.

And what better place to find disarmed victims than in places that announce they are "gun free?"

Originally Posted by blankcheque

So why treat it as a personal insult?

Who's taking it as a personal insult? I'd like to see the post(s) you're referring to. For most of here it's a simple matter of principle; take away our rights, we take away our business.

Originally Posted by blankcheque

I'm well aware of the type of forum I'm on. But some of the members here have a loose grip on reality.

And some might say the same for you.

Might I make the suggestion that you reserve your insults of the other members until your post count gets out of single digits.

Originally Posted by blankcheque

A lot of the time they are forced to do that, because in order for that business to have any kind of insurance coverage, they have to remove some liability and even then they still have to pay out the behind on premiums.

Ya know what. I don't care if it is their insurance company. there are other insurance companies out there but said business chose that one. Just like i will choose to support their competitor that doesn't have a no gun policy.

The insurance thing is a valid problem but if we shrug it off for any reason we continue to loose ground.