As a member of Grass Root of North Carolina, they had 2 part cards and 1 part you put the businesses name and address for the don't buy list the other part you gave to owner or manager that states you will not do business with them and encourage others to avoid doing business in a unsafe business. Thierposting would tell criminals that they were safe to rob or what ever because no one there could stop them. Thank them for thier time and leave.

Not only willing but I do. They dont support 2A then I dont support them if there is any way possible.

Originally Posted by babs

Appears that's how they get you if they can't control your ability to get a concealed carry permit, they just make it so the only place you can carry is in your back yard. Outstanding level of quiet control by the powers that really be.

Interesting that you bring that up. A couple months ago i read a paper published by the Brady campaign that said just that. They said they dont have to stop concealed carry laws if they could get all the business to prohibit it.

That is also my fear and reason for the thread. If we don't find a way to peacefully convince business we are right than more and more will adopt those policies.

Originally Posted by Todd

That's a problem here too. No carry in a place where you can both purchase and consume alcohol. It seems redundant to me since you can't carry and have any controlled substance in your system. Since I choose not to only eat at McDonald's and other places that only serve soda, I lock up the ol' pistol in the car at "real" restaurants. I don't view that as going against my principals about not giving business to a place I can't carry because the state has made that rule, not the restaurant. Now if the laws changed and allowed carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol or it was a place that only served soda and they took it upon themselves to post a sign, well then I wouldn't be eating there.

Agreed you cant punish a restaurant or business for something they have no control over. If it is law than we are to obey it. And honestly if im gonna eat at a place that serves alcohol i leave the gun at home anyway cause i do enjoy a cold one once in a while.

This is a good example of the propaganda we are up against coming from the Brady campaign. It is faulty information like this that is why i think many business post those signs.

http://www.gunlawsuits.org/pdf/featu...snbusiness.pdf

Originally Posted by hawcer

I have yet to run into a "gun free" sign at a business(that I remember anyway).But if you ask if it is ok to carry in their establishment,you'll probly get a "NO" for an answer every time.If it's not posted...Don't ask-Don't tell.....

DITTO. What hawcer said.

If there is NO SIGN posted (Am I always look) I'm not inclinded to find a manager/owner and admit I'm carrying and ask if it's ok. I know it's a fine line between being curtious and respectfull to the property owner, and "Don't ask/don't tell" mentality....the very definition of concealed.... If I'm politely asked to leave NP. Will I return to shop there? Depends....but probably not.

Ah well later. I'm off to youth shooting with my boy.

Its a sad fact that the bad people these businesses have the most to fear from are those who will ignore the 'no gun' signs to do their dastardly deeds.

PS. Ikea was founded by a Nazi. This is a bigger reason for a boycott, aside from the stench of decaying chipboard.

http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-...playstory.html

I've been in secure places that have armed security and I resented every moment they had guns and I didn't. The truth is visable guns make people nervous. But if I have a weapon legally concealed, it's going to be in a manner that I don't expect anyone short of a pat down or metal detector to notice I even have it. Just try that with me and not be a cop. A sign won't deter me in the least.

I would join in a boycott if I ever saw one of the offending signs. I generaly scan store fronts as I enter but have yet to see a no gun sign.

Perhaps I don't shop enough.

I try not to patronize businesses that post no gun signs. I won't drive all the way across town just to go to another store though. In Missouri it is NOT illegal to carry in a business where a no gun sign is posted. If you do carry there and you are caught they can ask you to leave. If you do not comply THEN you are breaking the law. If Missouri ever changes the law so that it is illegal to violate the no carry sign, I WILL boycott the stores that post no gun signs.

Originally Posted by submoa

PS. Ikea was founded by a Nazi. This is a bigger reason for a boycott, aside from the stench of decaying chipboard.

http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-...playstory.html

Well, despite the fact that I am strongly pro-Israel and married to a Jewish woman, I don't really see the point of boycotting Ikea over this. The guy's flirtation with Nazism was many decades ago, and even the rabbi quoted in the article - from the Simon Wiesenthal center - wasn't calling for any kind of punishment for Ikea.

If we're going to boycott Ikea over this, we might just as well boycott Ford, too.

As a business owner that owns my land that my business is on, I believe that only I have the right to decide wether or not someone is welcome here with a gun. I carry, some of my employees carry, but I don't let them carry at work. I don't stop any customers from carrying and I don't post "no guns". I have a lot of customers in the busy season. I don't want my customers to see a gun on someone and get scared. It is my right to decide if guns are allowed on my property, but I will not stop anyone from exercising their constitutional rights.

Carry concealed and carry safe. It is your responsibility to ensure the safety of those around you, and if a gun makes them uncomfortable, don't let it be seen.

Check your laws closely. In Missouri you can carry in a non-posted restraunt that serves alcohol as long as there is seating for at least 50 persons and at least 51% of their revenue is from non-alcohol purchases (which should include almost all restraunts).

Penalties
In other states with similar laws nearly all "crimes" committed by license holders involved inattentively entering prohibited places with a weapon. In drafting Missouri's statute it was decided to remove these places from the list of crimes. Entering one of the above areas with a concealed weapon is not a crime. It is an infraction. However, it is not even an infraction unless the licensee is asked to leave the premises, refuses to leave, and a peace officer is summoned. The licensee may then be issued a summons carrying a $100 fine. If a second citation for a similar violation occurs within six (6) months, the fine will be $200 and his or her license to carry shall be suspended for one year. A third citation for a similar violation within one year of the first citation carries a fine of $500 and the license to carry shall be revoked. The person cannot re-apply for a license for three years. The licensee may also be arrested and charged with trespass. Some prosecutors have an unseemly desire to put licensees in jail, even briefly.
Missouri has struggled too long to get this law, to endanger it with stubborn, boorish behavior. Robert Heinlein wrote that an armed society is a polite society. This is our best defense.

Originally Posted by Mike Barham

If we're going to boycott Ikea over this, we might just as well boycott Ford, too.

Fords smell like decaying chipboard?

Originally Posted by submoa

Fords smell like decaying chipboard?

I wouldn't know. I drive a Honda.

Originally Posted by jpruett79

This is a good example of the propaganda we are up against coming from the Brady campaign. It is faulty information like this that is why i think many business post those signs.

http://www.gunlawsuits.org/pdf/featu...snbusiness.pdf

Do you think most businesses have even done any research to make an informed decision, or are just trying to follow the herd?

I believe that the majority of citizens are actually conservative, but those liberals are just so darn loud.

I think most businesses assume that more people are pleased to know that guns are banned, and the people that are put off by the ban are a tiny minority. Let's help the business owners know what the true common opinion is.

I boycott ALL "gun free zones".

Where have all the mass murders occured lately?
"Gun Free Zones".

As far as I am concerned, if a business wants to deny me my 2nd. Amendment rights, I can deny them my hard earned cash!

IANAL but as far as I know here in Georgia outside the places excluded by our CCW law we can carry even if a sign is posted and the only thing they can do is refuse to do business with us. But here is a question.

You walk out the door one day carrying, say for vacation, and you stop somewhere they dont allow carry, do you boycott or .....? how do you secure your gun? Not hypothetically be honest, if you threw it in your glove box on top of that cracked Garth Brooks CD lets hear it.

Originally Posted by rahlquist

You walk out the door one day carrying, say for vacation, and you stop somewhere they dont allow carry, do you boycott or .....? how do you secure your gun? Not hypothetically be honest, if you threw it in your glove box on top of that cracked Garth Brooks CD lets hear it.

Is it an emergency situation like I've got 500 miles still to drive and my kid is having a meltdown because his favorite DVD broke and the first store I've stopped at that has one doesn't allow guns? Yeah, I lock the gun up in the little gun vault I have for the car. Am I wandering down the street of some town I am visiting, see a cool looking store but see a no gun sign? I keep walking. So it all depends on the situation. For the most part I will not do business with anti-gun businesses. But sometimes need overrides political beliefs.

Originally Posted by Jon S

Do you think most businesses have even done any research to make an informed decision, or are just trying to follow the herd?

I believe that the majority of citizens are actually conservative, but those liberals are just so darn loud.

I think most businesses assume that more people are pleased to know that guns are banned, and the people that are put off by the ban are a tiny minority. Let's help the business owners know what the true common opinion is.

I really think they are just listening to the media and also following the heard. Any amount of research would show we are the good guys and the bad guys look for places that the good guys are disarmed.

I would agree and we have lost far more than just our gun rights because we were not as loud as the apposing opinion. To many people thought it would never happen here even when things were up for a vote. My gut tells me the Insurance company are to blame also.


As for a place i'm traveling that i will probably never stop at again. It just depends on the situation and what i need. Most times i will go to the next place but a trivial purchase wont do much to sway a business owners opinion anyway the only chance of doing that woudl be repeat business.

Originally Posted by rahlquist

IANAL but as far as I know here in Georgia outside the places excluded by our CCW law we can carry even if a sign is posted and the only thing they can do is refuse to do business with us. But here is a question.

You walk out the door one day carrying, say for vacation, and you stop somewhere they dont allow carry, do you boycott or .....? how do you secure your gun? Not hypothetically be honest, if you threw it in your glove box on top of that cracked Garth Brooks CD lets hear it.

A store I pass it up and find a different store, a place like Six Flags they have lockers inside security office you can store your firearm while there.

Originally Posted by rahlquist

You walk out the door one day carrying, say for vacation, and you stop somewhere they dont allow carry, do you boycott or .....? how do you secure your gun? Not hypothetically be honest, if you threw it in your glove box on top of that cracked Garth Brooks CD lets hear it.

Have locked storage mounted on backseat floorhump. Sidearm and paddleholster fit inside.

cracked Garth Brooks CD

Its the 21st century. It's Garth Brooks collection in a cracked iPod.

Yes!!

Now I live in so fl, I've never seen or heard of a gun free zone other then a school or fedreal buld... What do thease signs Look like? where would they be? Also your handgun is hidden right. how would they know?