View Poll Results: Are you willing to Boycot A "Gun Free" business

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    Thanks for steering this back on track, guys. We will not be discussing illegal carry in this (or any other) thread. The original question is about boycotts, so let's stick to that.

    Boycotts are only effective when you tell the company you're boycotting why you are boycotting them. This may be largely ineffective with many companies, anyway. A company anti-gun enough to post a sign will probably figure they don't want you and your evil gun in their store anyway.

    Some people extend their boycotts to states where they can't carry, like California, or confining travel to the United States rather than the dastardly anti-gun nations of Europe (and pretty much everywhere else). I don't do that. I like visiting California, and plan to visit Great Britain this year and Italy in '09.

    Such signs are rare as hen's teeth in the areas of Arizona I frequent. I do recall seeing them at one shopping mall and at Ikea, the Scandinavian purveyor of cheap furniture for college students. Oh, and one diner out the middle of nowhere.

    The main problem in AZ is that you can't carry in a restaurant that serves liquor. If I limited myself to restaurants that only serve water and sodapop, I'd sure have a dull life. But of course this isn't up to the restaurants. It's state law, which we try to get changed every year.

    My second problem is with the Big Brothers/Big Sisters organization, which I think does great work. I'm a Big Brother, but the agreement I signed says I can't carry around my Little. It's a tough thing, but a worthy trade-off to me. My chances of needing a pistol at the batting cages or at Laser Tag are tiny, but my chances of helping my Little are 100%.

    In general, I agree with Wandering Man. I'm not much for boycotts, anyway, but I do recognize that they can be effective if done in an organized fashion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wandering Man View Post
    We're still a free country, and a business owner has the right to choose his/her work environment, product, and clients/customers.

    As responsible CHL holders we don't force our friends or relatives to let us in their homes if they are skittish around guns.

    We owe the same respect to businesses.

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    Bingo. Respect the property owner.

    If you don't feel comfortable going where you can't carry, that's entirely your business. Nobody is forcing you to shop/eat/go to any particular place.

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    I voted No because they have every right to ask us not to carry on their property. We have the right to carry where it is legal to do so and they have the right to keep guns off their property. It's just a fact of life, there are gun supporters and there are others that do not agree with our views. Because someone, or a company, doesn't feel the way we do as gun advocates, IMO is not grounds to boycott them. But if it makes you feel beter doing so, go for it. That's your choice too....

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    Appears that's how they get you if they can't control your ability to get a concealed carry permit, they just make it so the only place you can carry is in your back yard. Outstanding level of quiet control by the powers that really be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony pasley View Post
    As a rule I don't go into posted businesses, I have been able to help get stores to change thier policy on CCW.
    Mind sharing how you went about that? Letters? Phone? Direct contact with owners or managers? I love a good story about people seeing the light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    The main problem in AZ is that you can't carry in a restaurant that serves liquor.
    That's a problem here too. No carry in a place where you can both purchase and consume alcohol. It seems redundant to me since you can't carry and have any controlled substance in your system. Since I choose not to only eat at McDonald's and other places that only serve soda, I lock up the ol' pistol in the car at "real" restaurants. I don't view that as going against my principals about not giving business to a place I can't carry because the state has made that rule, not the restaurant. Now if the laws changed and allowed carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol or it was a place that only served soda and they took it upon themselves to post a sign, well then I wouldn't be eating there.

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    As a member of Grass Root of North Carolina, they had 2 part cards and 1 part you put the businesses name and address for the don't buy list the other part you gave to owner or manager that states you will not do business with them and encourage others to avoid doing business in a unsafe business. Thierposting would tell criminals that they were safe to rob or what ever because no one there could stop them. Thank them for thier time and leave.

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    Not only willing but I do. They dont support 2A then I dont support them if there is any way possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babs View Post
    Appears that's how they get you if they can't control your ability to get a concealed carry permit, they just make it so the only place you can carry is in your back yard. Outstanding level of quiet control by the powers that really be.
    Interesting that you bring that up. A couple months ago i read a paper published by the Brady campaign that said just that. They said they dont have to stop concealed carry laws if they could get all the business to prohibit it.

    That is also my fear and reason for the thread. If we don't find a way to peacefully convince business we are right than more and more will adopt those policies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    That's a problem here too. No carry in a place where you can both purchase and consume alcohol. It seems redundant to me since you can't carry and have any controlled substance in your system. Since I choose not to only eat at McDonald's and other places that only serve soda, I lock up the ol' pistol in the car at "real" restaurants. I don't view that as going against my principals about not giving business to a place I can't carry because the state has made that rule, not the restaurant. Now if the laws changed and allowed carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol or it was a place that only served soda and they took it upon themselves to post a sign, well then I wouldn't be eating there.
    Agreed you cant punish a restaurant or business for something they have no control over. If it is law than we are to obey it. And honestly if im gonna eat at a place that serves alcohol i leave the gun at home anyway cause i do enjoy a cold one once in a while.

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    This is a good example of the propaganda we are up against coming from the Brady campaign. It is faulty information like this that is why i think many business post those signs.

    http://www.gunlawsuits.org/pdf/featu...snbusiness.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawcer View Post
    I have yet to run into a "gun free" sign at a business(that I remember anyway).But if you ask if it is ok to carry in their establishment,you'll probly get a "NO" for an answer every time.If it's not posted...Don't ask-Don't tell.....
    DITTO. What hawcer said.

    If there is NO SIGN posted (Am I always look) I'm not inclinded to find a manager/owner and admit I'm carrying and ask if it's ok. I know it's a fine line between being curtious and respectfull to the property owner, and "Don't ask/don't tell" mentality....the very definition of concealed.... If I'm politely asked to leave NP. Will I return to shop there? Depends....but probably not.

    Ah well later. I'm off to youth shooting with my boy.

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    Its a sad fact that the bad people these businesses have the most to fear from are those who will ignore the 'no gun' signs to do their dastardly deeds.

    PS. Ikea was founded by a Nazi. This is a bigger reason for a boycott, aside from the stench of decaying chipboard.

    http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-...playstory.html

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    I've been in secure places that have armed security and I resented every moment they had guns and I didn't. The truth is visable guns make people nervous. But if I have a weapon legally concealed, it's going to be in a manner that I don't expect anyone short of a pat down or metal detector to notice I even have it. Just try that with me and not be a cop. A sign won't deter me in the least.

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    I would join in a boycott if I ever saw one of the offending signs. I generaly scan store fronts as I enter but have yet to see a no gun sign.

    Perhaps I don't shop enough.


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    I try not to patronize businesses that post no gun signs. I won't drive all the way across town just to go to another store though. In Missouri it is NOT illegal to carry in a business where a no gun sign is posted. If you do carry there and you are caught they can ask you to leave. If you do not comply THEN you are breaking the law. If Missouri ever changes the law so that it is illegal to violate the no carry sign, I WILL boycott the stores that post no gun signs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by submoa View Post
    PS. Ikea was founded by a Nazi. This is a bigger reason for a boycott, aside from the stench of decaying chipboard.

    http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-...playstory.html
    Well, despite the fact that I am strongly pro-Israel and married to a Jewish woman, I don't really see the point of boycotting Ikea over this. The guy's flirtation with Nazism was many decades ago, and even the rabbi quoted in the article - from the Simon Wiesenthal center - wasn't calling for any kind of punishment for Ikea.

    If we're going to boycott Ikea over this, we might just as well boycott Ford, too.
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    As a business owner that owns my land that my business is on, I believe that only I have the right to decide wether or not someone is welcome here with a gun. I carry, some of my employees carry, but I don't let them carry at work. I don't stop any customers from carrying and I don't post "no guns". I have a lot of customers in the busy season. I don't want my customers to see a gun on someone and get scared. It is my right to decide if guns are allowed on my property, but I will not stop anyone from exercising their constitutional rights.

    Carry concealed and carry safe. It is your responsibility to ensure the safety of those around you, and if a gun makes them uncomfortable, don't let it be seen.

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    Carry in restraunts...

    Check your laws closely. In Missouri you can carry in a non-posted restraunt that serves alcohol as long as there is seating for at least 50 persons and at least 51% of their revenue is from non-alcohol purchases (which should include almost all restraunts).

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    Signs, signs, everywhere signs...

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    In other states with similar laws nearly all "crimes" committed by license holders involved inattentively entering prohibited places with a weapon. In drafting Missouri's statute it was decided to remove these places from the list of crimes. Entering one of the above areas with a concealed weapon is not a crime. It is an infraction. However, it is not even an infraction unless the licensee is asked to leave the premises, refuses to leave, and a peace officer is summoned. The licensee may then be issued a summons carrying a $100 fine. If a second citation for a similar violation occurs within six (6) months, the fine will be $200 and his or her license to carry shall be suspended for one year. A third citation for a similar violation within one year of the first citation carries a fine of $500 and the license to carry shall be revoked. The person cannot re-apply for a license for three years. The licensee may also be arrested and charged with trespass. Some prosecutors have an unseemly desire to put licensees in jail, even briefly.
    Missouri has struggled too long to get this law, to endanger it with stubborn, boorish behavior. Robert Heinlein wrote that an armed society is a polite society. This is our best defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    If we're going to boycott Ikea over this, we might just as well boycott Ford, too.
    Fords smell like decaying chipboard?

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