I used to live there. I think that best sums it up for me.
What's the big deal? You can own guns in Ca, in many areas it's very easy to get a CCW.
Yes it kinda sucks about the hi-cap mags, but if you require more than 10 rounds to do the job, you should probably sell you gun and get a shotgun anyway....
There will always be some retarded lawmaker trying to pass stupid laws, and the law of averages says it will be your state next...
Besides, it could be worse...you could be in Mass.
Arizona is getting more and more like California every year, so I don't know that there will be much difference in twenty years. The wife and I have talked about retiring to northern California. One of our "other" hobbies is wine, so it seems a natural choice. I've visited or passed through most of the fifty states, and I think California is by far the most attractive - from the Sonoma vineyards to SF Bay to Big Sur to Catalina.
The high cost of living is more of a deterrent than the gun laws, to be quite honest. I don't really have any interest in black rifles, and I could live with a 10-round .40 (or a 1911) and a pump shotgun for defense.
On the other hand, if all the California gunnies would move to AZ and reverse the tide, I'd probably stay put.
I spent 8 years in So Cal in the 80's and had a grand old time. Of course I was in Orange county and that was about the best place for a gun owning military man then. I had a good time, but would never go back. Not gun issues really, mostly letting O.J. off soured me on California.
Really I don't visit any states that don't have reciprocity with Texas on concealed carry. I refuse to spend any vacation money in a state if I can't go healed.
They can redneck it up with the best of 'em - well, pretty good at least. I grew up there. Live in SF bay area now and love it. Judging by the exodus of everybody in this country (& world) into SF, I think there might be a non-representative group of people here who lOvE their home state (...who also went out of their way to go into the CA forum to say so...hmm???). Nonetheless, glad to be here and be part of this forum!
I also grew up in the Bay Area (about 15 minutes south of SFO), and struggle a bit at times with my thoughts on the place. I currently live in Sacramento, and wish the state was more accepting of guns. It's a great place to live, but when some people hear I'm interested in guns I'm suddenly some crazy wahoo who belongs in Alabama. Don't get me wrong, the weather and such are great, but it is frustrating to sacrafice the freedoms to live here. It's also damn hard to find a good place to shoot aside from a few local ranges. I'd love to find some open land where I could shoot some cans and such, but don't know where it would be safe and legal to do so.
I haven't gone looking for those kinds of places, but I know what you mean. I grew up outside the Bakersfield city limits, so Everywhere was that kind of place.
An interesting way to get ideas of these kind of places is to look at Google maps (maps.google.com) and choose the satelite view. I suppose looking for places that might qualify as a 'campsite' might make you a bit safer with regards to the law (don't quote me on that though!).
It does suck for active gun owners...but I keep getting distracting by the bikinis and snow bunnies.
Where else can you drive to the mountains and beaches in less than an hour?
I cant believe how jealous you guys are for not living here , I been to Texas and its not the state I ever live or visit ever again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!ha ha
I was born, bread, and buttered in the SF Bay Area and I'm often conflicted about living here. My wife and I have to bite our tongues whenever politics comes up in mixed company because it is just a given (especially in the county we live in) that non-Democrats are evil and that the world would be nice to us if we were nice to it, and all the other unrealistic, emotion-based, utopian views.
All our family is here and that is probably the biggest thing keeping us in the area. I sometimes wish we didn't live in the particular county we live in though. I'm really tired of paying the ridiculous mortgage for our 2 bedroom 1 bath house that was built in 1940. We often dream about selling and taking that money to Texas or Colorado or even out into central California and buying a 3000 Square foot mansion. Of course, there's that pesky cut in salary that keeps me shlepping into the city every day. Of course, I wouldn't have to make as much if our mortgage wasn't insane. Blurg... the debate continues...