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    OC Sheriff revoking CCWs

    From the Orange County Register:
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    Thursday, October 9, 2008
    Sheriff begins taking away concealed weapons permits
    Hundreds of letters have been sent out advising current permit holders of impending revocation.
    BY NORBERTO SANTANA JR.
    The Orange County Register
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    The Sheriff's Department has begun the process of revoking hundreds of concealed weapon permits across Orange County.

    This week, department officials confirmed that 146 letters have been sent out advising current license holders that their permits to carry firearms in public – called CCWs – are being revoked. There are currently 1,024 permit holders.

    "The Department has determined that your identified risk does not meet the good cause threshold as required under the new CCW policy based upon the information you provided. As a result of this determination, the Department's present intention is to revoke your CCW license," reads the form letter sent out this month.

    The letter, sent out under the signature of Captain Dave Nighswonger, advises current holders that if they feel that additional information should be considered they have roughly one month to provide additional good cause information for the department to consider before the revocation becomes final.

    This week, county supervisors grilled Sheriff Sandra Hutchens during her 120-day update on the reorganization of the agency about the status of the concealed weapons review.

    Hutchens acknowledged to supervisors that she had indeed tightened requirements for the permits but highlighted the fact that no current license had yet been revoked.

    But it seems unlikely that those who are getting the letters won't be revoked.

    "Most of them are not coming back with the information we need," said Nighswonger. "A lot of them are arguing the second amendment (to the U.S. Constitution)," he said.

    Nighswonger said many of the current revocations listed their reason for having a concealed gun as "avid shooter."

    That no longer qualifies under Hutchen's new standards.

    Under state law, a Sheriff has discretion to issue concealed weapons permits. And under the administration of former Sheriff Mike Carona – whose federal corruption trial starts on Oct. 28 – guidelines for issuing concealed weapons permits were loosened.

    Records reviewed by the Orange County Register show that concealed weapon permits soared under Carona, from 38 in 1998 to 468 the next year. By 2006, it was up to 1,400, a four-fold increase.

    When Carona took over in 1998, Orange County ranked 34th in terms of the numbers of permits granted. By 2006, Orange County was ranked number nine.

    However, the Register also found numerous instances where campaign donors received the permits. A Register analysis of Carona campaign contributions from 1996 to the end of 2001 shows that at least 95 contributors – who gave at least $68,000 - got licenses.

    Indeed, the federal indictment against Carona details one specific instance where a wealthy contributor was granted a license under questionable circumstances.

    Hutchens has said that connection prompted her to review the policies and tighten the standards.

    Her revisions, and the revocation letters, have enraged gun activists who are pressing county supervisors to take action.

    "There's a lot of business owners and a lot of gun owners that have had CCWs that have never met Mike Carona or contributed," said Greg Block, a Huntington Beach-based firearms instructor and activist.

    He and many activists suggest a different standard: "If you are not a convicted felon, you should be able to get able to get a CCW in California," Block said.

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    If you live in Orange County now is the time, what with this being an election year, to let your supervisor know that you don't appreciate the board having hired LA law enforcement to rule over Orange County and to not expect your vote unless he/she supports the right to carry and mandates that the Sheriff's office comply with that right!!!!

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    And the struggle continues. As I understand it, the new sheriff was suprised at the reaction of Orange County citizens to her CCW policy. Unlike other areas in the state, Orange County stood up to be counted.

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    Hooray for the fine folks in the OC! That Heifer needs to be put out to pasture by the County.

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    She’s already out to lunch so the pasture can’t be far away! She is a politician gorging herself at the trough of political correctness. She is out of touch, out of time and out of line.

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    Ah..Got to love liberals in power. They are just trying to protect you from yourself. For Gods sake why cant you all see that!?!?!?!? This person knows what you need much more than you can hope to understand. After all They are an elected official. are they not? The Komrads of Kalifornia will be safe in the bosom slowly being assimilated into the collective.

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    Just glad I don't live there.

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    Wait I'm confused here.....

    From what I understand the only people being revoked are those who should have never gotten a CCL in the first place. As well as those who've committed actionable offenses since their issuance.

    Isn't that a good thing? I mean I know any revocation is a bad thing in some sense, but don't we only want law abiding citizens getting CCW permits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by funkypunk97 View Post
    Wait I'm confused here.....
    From what I understand the only people being revoked are those who should have never gotten a CCL in the first place. As well as those who've committed actionable offenses since their issuance.

    Isn't that a good thing? I mean I know any revocation is a bad thing in some sense, but don't we only want law abiding citizens getting CCW permits?

    It is the ordinary law abiding Orange County citizens that got their CCWs legitamately that are now in her cross hairs. Thats why they are standing up and voicing their opinions. The new sheriff was appointed to fulfill the term of the previous sheriff and had the CCW`requirements changed in midstream to a more restrictive standard. The county sheriff is given wide discretion in issuing CCWs, but to revoke for any reason other than "misuse of a firearm" or for "criminal misconduct" was unheard of until now. She started to revoke CCWs before their expiration dates for no other reason than they did not meet her "new" requirements. To set the record straight, CCWs that were issued under questionable circumstances and cries of cronyism were dealt with a couple years back.

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    it starts in Kalfornia and bobama will take it East.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowfire View Post
    It is the ordinary law abiding Orange County citizens that got their CCWs legitamately that are now in her cross hairs. Thats why they are standing up and voicing their opinions. The new sheriff was appointed to fulfill the term of the previous sheriff and had the CCW`requirements changed in midstream to a more restrictive standard. The county sheriff is given wide discretion in issuing CCWs, but to revoke for any reason other than "misuse of a firearm" or for "criminal misconduct" was unheard of until now. She started to revoke CCWs before their expiration dates for no other reason than they did not meet her "new" requirements. To set the record straight, CCWs that were issued under questionable circumstances and cries of cronyism were dealt with a couple years back.
    But have they said what those new restrictions are?

    So far all the news I can find on it they are not making it sound like legit CCW permits are in any danger. The way they are spinning it is that a few legit owners got worried and started speaking up, but there is no reason for them to worry.....

    I guess we'll see.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by funkypunk97 View Post
    But have they said what those new restrictions are?
    So far all the news I can find on it they are not making it sound like legit CCW permits are in any danger. The way they are spinning it is that a few legit owners got worried and started speaking up, but there is no reason for them to worry.....
    I guess we'll see.....
    I wish that I could agree with you.
    What happened, and I did see some of the letters and they were mostly generic, just fill in the person's name. The letters said that "you no longer meet the new standards" and asked you to submit more information. No further explaination. With no idea as to what "more information" meant, given a time limit of 30 days to submit the info, many CCW holders where naturally upset. The "few" legit CCW holders mentioned in the quote above, were about 400-500 ordinary citizens who had lawfully acquired their CCWs per the previous standards, almost half of the current number. The uproar started when it became public that CCWs would be revoked prior to their expiration dates for no other reason than that.

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