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    Quote Originally Posted by nighthawk74 View Post
    What was wrong with your PF-9? I was thinking of getting one, actually. Either that or the PF-11. How does it handle with other 9 mm you have shot?
    New PF-9 Range Report

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    I'm not real impressed with my P11 but I do like revolvers better anyway.

    Besides a heavy trigger the takedown pin will come out during heavy shooting or basically when it gets hot. Of course this causes the slide/barrel/recoil spring to dump out on the ground, very embarrassing at the range.

    Perhaps the pin is worn out?

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    Contact Kel-tec service on that. I have used my p-11 for IDPA championship shoot (no i am not that good. i was almost last)
    with no problems. I would be wary of any pistol that fell apart shooting also. Course i would work on fixing it too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niadhf View Post
    Contact Kel-tec service on that. I have used my p-11 for IDPA championship shoot (no i am not that good. i was almost last)
    with no problems. I would be wary of any pistol that fell apart shooting also. Course i would work on fixing it too.
    Well I've done that and awaiting a response.

    Good luck with your IDPA shooting

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    Hmm...

    From much of the postings, it seems like, out of the box, one can expect that you might have to send in your new Kel-Tec gun back to the manufacturer........with the end result of getting a better gun because someone had to fix it. Has this indeed been the case for lots of KT gun owners out there? In this forum and in others, I've taken this to be the case. I haven't seen as many people saying the same thing about their Bersas, though.

    I don't know. It's nice that Kel Tec will take care of your gun after sending it in but isn't it better to have a gun that is ready to go in your pocket holster for your personal defence? I would rather buy a gun that is quality and user-ready. Like Ruger, Kel Tec sounds kind of hit-and-miss to me. I guess I'll stick to the Glock and Sig for my piece of mind.......and MAYbe, just maybe, a Bersa 380 for the price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nighthawk74 View Post
    Has this indeed been the case for lots of KT gun owners out there? In this forum and in others, I've taken this to be the case.
    My P3AT has run fine from day one. It has shown that it occasionally does not like to eat cheapo WWB at the range (has the occasional jam), but it's always run flawlessly with the premium stuff; which is what it's loaded with when I carry it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nighthawk74 View Post
    Hmm...

    From much of the postings, it seems like, out of the box, one can expect that you might have to send in your new Kel-Tec gun back to the manufacturer........with the end result of getting a better gun because someone had to fix it. Has this indeed been the case for lots of KT gun owners out there? In this forum and in others, I've taken this to be the case. I haven't seen as many people saying the same thing about their Bersas, though.

    I don't know. It's nice that Kel Tec will take care of your gun after sending it in but isn't it better to have a gun that is ready to go in your pocket holster for your personal defence? I would rather buy a gun that is quality and user-ready. Like Ruger, Kel Tec sounds kind of hit-and-miss to me. I guess I'll stick to the Glock and Sig for my piece of mind.......and MAYbe, just maybe, a Bersa 380 for the price.
    3 keltecs. 1 FTE with a non shooter. over 800 rounds.

    My LGS won't sell a Bersa. Why? Because if they have problems she has been unable to get good support. She does with the Kel-tecs.
    Doesn't mean all Bersas are bad. Just her experience.

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    Sent my P11 to Kel-Tec today after receiving a response with a simple note and directions.
    We'll see how long it takes for repairs and what was done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keef.44 View Post
    Sent my P11 to Kel-Tec today after receiving a response with a simple note and directions.
    We'll see how long it takes for repairs and what was done.
    Came back today, pretty quick turnaround IMO.
    They polished the slide and test fired. Takedown pin looks new too but no elaboration of what was done.
    It will be on its way to the range soon. No charge, just my cost of shipping.

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    Yep. That sounds right for service. Let us know how it works.

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    I have a P-3AT that was one of the "problem" guns made with faulty slides. The recoil rod hole was over bored, causing the slide to peen.

    One day at the range after months of carrying, when I fired it the recoil spring went through the front of the slide and went flying down range.

    As I live in FL, I took the gun to Kel-Tec and they basically swapped the serial number onto a new gun. That is it came back out with New Grip, New Barrel, New Slide, and New Trigger Assembly.

    Went to the range and the thing was a Jam-O-Matic. After I took it home and did the Kel-Tec "Fluff & Buff", it ran fine (so far).

    My problem with Kel-Tec is although their followers bash Ruger for their re-call on the LCP, Kel-Tec KNEW their slides were faulty and choose to just wait until the customer either brought it back or sent it it. I know they knew, because thats what the tech that worked on mine told me.

    This is why I am here looking into the Bersa. I am considering selling my P-3at and my Hi-Point C-9 and getting a Bersa. I am looking at the 9-UC.

    I have a Glock -23 and it has always perfromed pefectly right out of the box. I hear that the Bersa does the same.

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    If i were to choose between the two, it would be the keltec hands down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StngStr View Post
    If i were to choose between the two, it would be the keltec hands down.
    Why? What are the determining factors that makes the decision for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsman View Post
    I have a P-3AT that was one of the "problem" guns made with faulty slides. The recoil rod hole was over bored, causing the slide to peen.

    One day at the range after months of carrying, when I fired it the recoil spring went through the front of the slide and went flying down range.

    As I live in FL, I took the gun to Kel-Tec and they basically swapped the serial number onto a new gun. That is it came back out with New Grip, New Barrel, New Slide, and New Trigger Assembly.

    Went to the range and the thing was a Jam-O-Matic. After I took it home and did the Kel-Tec "Fluff & Buff", it ran fine (so far).

    My problem with Kel-Tec is although their followers bash Ruger for their re-call on the LCP, Kel-Tec KNEW their slides were faulty and choose to just wait until the customer either brought it back or sent it it. I know they knew, because thats what the tech that worked on mine told me.

    This is why I am here looking into the Bersa. I am considering selling my P-3at and my Hi-Point C-9 and getting a Bersa. I am looking at the 9-UC.

    I have a Glock -23 and it has always perfromed pefectly right out of the box. I hear that the Bersa does the same.
    I think you should send that problem child of a Kel-Tec to me. Then, you'll never have to worry about it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeefyBeefo View Post
    I think you should send that problem child of a Kel-Tec to me. Then, you'll never have to worry about it again.
    If the shipping costs are to high to send to Colorado, ship it to me in southeast Texas. I'll fix it up for you and after several years of testing to be sure it's correct, I'll send it back to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeefyBeefo View Post
    I think you should send that problem child of a Kel-Tec to me. Then, you'll never have to worry about it again.
    Quote Originally Posted by tekhead1219 View Post
    If the shipping costs are to high to send to Colorado, ship it to me in southeast Texas. I'll fix it up for you and after several years of testing to be sure it's correct, I'll send it back to you.
    Guys, don't you know how it works? All problem and unwanted guns are to be sent to js first. He then sends them to the mods if he doesn't want them or have the time to work on the gun.

    Come to think of it though, I still haven't gotten a gun out of this "program".

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    All of the above comments are typical of a Kel-Tecie.

    I asked the first poster why would he choose the Kel-Tec over the Bersa and what was the determining factors. I have as of yet seen none given. Its the same old "if you don't want it send it to me" Yada, Yada, Yada.

    If that's the best you've got why even bother to post a reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsman View Post
    I asked the first poster why would he choose the Kel-Tec over the Bersa and what was the determining factors. I have as of yet seen none given. Its the same old "if you don't want it send it to me" Yada, Yada, Yada.
    So because the OP failed to respond to your question, you're bashing all the other responses? With the attitude you're displaying, I'd be surprised if he ever does respond.

    Quote Originally Posted by woodsman View Post
    If that's the best you've got why even bother to post a reply.
    And if this, critiquing and insulting the content other people's posts, is the best you've got, my advice is it is you who should not bother posting a reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsman View Post
    All of the above comments are typical of a Kel-Tecie.

    I asked the first poster why would he choose the Kel-Tec over the Bersa and what was the determining factors. I have as of yet seen none given. Its the same old "if you don't want it send it to me" Yada, Yada, Yada.

    If that's the best you've got why even bother to post a reply.
    Considering I've actually been looking for one of these and would have considered purchasing it from you, that makes you something, but I'm not a name caller. Someone woke up on the wrong side of the forum. Also, if you're that disappointed in a firearm, then why do you still own it?

    Regarding why someone would choose the Kel-Tec over the Bersa:

    The Kel-Tec is smaller, and is much easier to pocket carry than the Bersa. That is the whole purpose of these small .380 handguns, to be carried in a pocket (for most people). Some people like the price of the Kel-tec, and some also like the warranty. There isn't much out there that compares to the size of the P3AT.
    Last edited by Todd; 03-03-2009 at 12:06 PM. Reason: No name calling, Beefy

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    I chose the Bersa because it's a little bigger, the Kel just didn't fit in my hand comfortably.

    I don't regret the choice, my BT 380 is a good little shooter

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