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    Blade is offline Junior Member HGF Gold Member
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    I carry a Bersa Thunder 9 Ultra Compact Pro. I have over 500 rds through it now, and I have never had a single failure, of any kind. And it doesn't matter what ammo I put in it. It shoots everything and works first time, every time. And there was no break in period. It shot everything out of the box. It is more than accurate enough for its intended purpose. The gun is rugged, solid and well made. Fit and finish are equal to anything out there. And it has features that you generally only find on much more expensive guns. Like a match grade barrel with polygonal rifling. And all the controls are ambidextrous, with the exception of the magazine release, which can be switched to either side in seconds using a simple screwdriver. The double action trigger is long and heavy (as you want it to be in a defensive gun), but it is glass smooth, with no stacking or stutters. The single action trigger is equal to any production gun made. It breaks smartly at 4 1/2 pounds, with only the slightest hint of creep. And you really have to be looking for it to feel it at all. I don't care what it cost, it is, without a doubt, the best handgun I've ever owned.

    Oh, and one of the reasons that the gun is inexpensive is that Bersa does not dump millions of dollars into advertising. You rarely see them advertised. And they pass the savings on to you.

    And one more thing, having to do with round counts and the long term reliability of the gun after thousands of rounds. 90% of the people out there aren't looking for a gun to storm the beaches of Iwo Jima and shoot it out with an army. They are looking for a good gun that will defend their life when they need it. Most people (like me) don't go to the range every day and pump a case of ammo through their guns. If for no other reason, they can't afford it (like me). So the ability to survive 10,000 rounds of use is not a requirement for a typical shooter.

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    Doubts can come from ignorance, snob-ism, lack of exposure, lack of reputation ...

    I took the plunge 2.5 years ago with a Bersa Thunder 9 Pro HC. Since then I added a Thunder 22.

    The BTh9 Pro HC is my favorite range gun since then. The finish is not as good as the finish of my Glock 26 Gen4, but after 4000+ rounds, the Bersa show very little signs of wear. So, to me, it is a solid, reliable and very accurate pistol. I would carry it with no fear.

    It took some time to break it in about 300 rounds (the slide did not lock back when the gun was empty with weaker rounds). I had an issue to eject 20% of the time with 1 mag only. It was perfect with the other mag and the 2 other mags I purchased after.
    So, for the heck of it, I got it sent back with that mag before I would have to pay for shipping (i.e. before 1 year). There is life time warranty on the Bersas, but you need to pay for the shipping (I believe). They must have done something right because the gun has been flawless with any kind of ammo I have put through it since then. The service was quick and no question asked (I gave a good description when I gave it back and the gun was back 4 weeks later at Academy for me to pick up). They described what was done clearly: they test fired, changed the ejector, not the extractor, and test fired again, cleaned up (Thanks!).

    The 22LR is great (robust, accurate for its size, balanced, great sights) and it fits in small hands and big hands so it is an outstanding gun to introduce young and new shooters to the sport. It is as reliable as the 22lr ammo you put it in. I have lost count of the # of rounds it has been through.

    I am very happy with my 2 Bersas - I would be happy to add a UC9, but I really do not need it.

    Before that, I had a Beretta 92FS.
    I now have a (great) Glock 26G4 (took more time to break it in than the Bersa 9 btw, but after 1000+ rounds it is great), a Walther P22 (not sure how long it will go, but so far, it has 4000+ rounds too), a flawless since day 1 Keltec sub 2000 9mm, and a Maverick 88 (very simple and reliable shotgun).
    So I do not believe I can be called a Bersa snob. The price for the Bersas went up about 15% since I bought mines. I would buy them again even at the new price if I had to as they are a lot of guns for the money.
    I have no experience with the .380 ACP models except that they fit my hand like a glove (same as the Th22). I heard good things about them though.

    Vincent

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    I have a Thunder 40 uc that I carry daily. I have put about 750 rounds through it with no issues. It is a firearm I trust to do what I want when I need it.

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    I currently have 4 Bersa 9mm's (two UC-9's, a UC-9 PRO and a full size T-9), a UC-45 and two T-380's. All are excellent pistols, though I'm particularly fond of the UC-9s. My UC-45, a UC-9 and one T-380 I've owned since '04 while the newest gun (the PRO) was purchased in '09. I think they were one of the best kept secrets out there. However, that seems to have taken a change for the worse in the last year or so. I noticed there has been a CONSIDERABLE increase in the past couple of years in ALL Bersa handguns. Just 18 months ago a new T-380 was less than $250 and I purchased two T-380's NIB for $189 just a few years ago. As of last week, the local Academy sells T-380s for $350 and UC-9 PRO's go for over $450! My UC-45 was only $289 when I got it in '05 and the last UC-9 I saw at a local gun show last year was $350. At these prices, the days of Bersa pistols being a good deal may be a thing of the past!

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    Wow... Try reading every single post here. The topic answers go from political infighting, name calling, haters, lovers, noobs, dumb owners, snobs and slobs... I've probably been tied up in every one of those categories over my lifetime - does that qualify me to respond? I recently purchased both a Thunder .380 Plus (15+1) and the Thunder 9 UC Pro (13+1). Both had 200 rounds through them (cheap Atlanta Arms & Ammo refurb target rounds) on day one, 200 on day two. Long term reliability - no freaking clue, out of the box performance on both - not one single issue. Zero misfeeds. Stripping and cleaning - just a bit of a juggle to reseat the .380 slide on re-assembly, so simple your dog could do it on the 9mm. Both feel good, shoot as straight as I can make them (which after 10+ years of ZERO shooting was about an 8" circle at 20 feet). I have shot Beretta, Glock, Colt, Ruger, Browning, Taurus and S&W. The feel of the Bersa is just as good as any of them, better than a few. All I can say is the price was outstanding, they fit my hand and they shoot cheap ammo just as well as the high priced HP rounds. Very impressed so far - another 400-500 rounds without mishap and I'll give them my total trust as primary carry weapons.

    A complaint here I agree with is the finish is not as nice as more expensive guns. But then again the Colt and Beretta's I carried in the military had the finish worn to hell and they looked beat. They still shot straight and the Bersa does to. Sorry, but if I'm forced to draw it is NOT going to be with the intent to shock and over-awe my would be assailant with the awesome shine and beauty of the finish. Unless they can see how shiny the tip of the Hornady HP round is as it's coming at them?

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    Stick to your guns. I own a Bersa Thunder .380, a Ruger SR9c, and a Stoeger Cougar compact 9mm and all 3 are excellent guns. I carry the Bersa and SR9c and trust them completely and the Stoeger is the most accurate of them all and great to shoot. You made some good choices.

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    I have owned a number of Bersa pistols, and have never had an issue with any of them. Now, will the Bersa pass the 30,000 round test? I don't know, but the ones that I had all performed well and were good looking guns too. I can't say that my Hi Point JHP, in .45 ACP looks good, but it shoots like a house on fire and is very accurate. I have just over 600 rounds thru it without any malfuntions. I run ball and HP ammo in it and it always does a good job. Some of my fellow shooters laugh at me when I get that big ugly gun out, until they see it shoot and then they shut up. (Especially when they find out how much I paid for it NIB) Don't worry what others think of your Bersa, they are not the ones who shoot it, you are so you be the judge.

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    New to the forum, but I have two Bersa pistols and they are number 1 in my book. My 380 thunder is absolutely wonderful. Takes all brands of ammo and just keeps on firing. I wasn't happy with my Ruger SR9c because it keeps jamming so I bought the Bersa Thunder 9mm ultra compact. Wonderful carry gun and again no jams, it justs keeps on going. Best kept secret in the gun world.

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    Why so much Doubt with Bersa

    Sorry to hear your disappointment with the SR9c, mine has fired flawlessly with over 400 rounds thru it. But since you replaced it with a Bersa and are happy I'm glad for you. People who don't own a Bersa really need to understand how good a gun they are. Ruger and Bersa are both favorites for me, mine have always been dependable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    Bersas haven't been adopted (or, to the best of my knowledge, even tested) by any major military or law enforcement agency. This means that objective, easily accessible test results don't exist. Thus, their short- and long-term reliability and durability are in question.

    I know that they've been tested by gun rags, but gun rag "tests" seldom expend more than a couple of hundred rounds, and tend to gloss over any failures anyway.

    And I know lots of people on the internet post about their excellent Bersas. But once again, we almost invariably see opinions based on low round counts, usually just a couple hundred rounds. I think this may be partially because serious shooters who expend lots of ammo are generally attracted to guns with longer and deeper track records than Bersa can currently produce.

    While Bersas may indeed be excellent, long lived, totally reliable pistols, I haven't seen anything that objectively establishes such. I can, however, easily access test results with multiple sample guns firing thousands (or tens of thousands) of rounds with Beretta, Glock, SIG, HK, and S&W, for example.

    I'm not saying Bersas are bad pistols at all - I know several people who are very pleased with their Bersa .380s. But I think this is why you see "doubt" about them. When someone takes thirty randomly selected Bersas and puts 10,000 rounds through each of them, then reports mean rounds between failure, number of broken parts if any, and accuracy before and after...well, then I will start taking them seriously as service pistols (assuming they survive the test).

    And I think I have a reasonable idea of how to shoot, and what good shooting looks like.

    Very well said. I totally agree with your observation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonXXX View Post
    Very well said. I totally agree with your observation.
    You might like this (speacially the ones that have really tried a Bersa before).....1,400+ rounds on a Thunder Pro 9 MM non stop!

    Part 1: GUNS: Bersa Thunder fires 1400 rounds with no jams! - Part 1 - YouTube

    Part 2: GUNS: Bersa Thunder fires 1400 rounds with no jams! - Part 2 - YouTube

    Is there a similar video about some of the other great brands that you are aware of? Not saying this is a complete test (not quite 10,000 rounds for sure), just curious....

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    Haven't found any conclusive test results but this wiki article might lend some more credibility to the Bersa brand. The Argentine military and their National Police all carry the Bersa Thunder 9 (as of the writing of the article).

    Bersa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Bersa also makes the fighter jets for the Argentine Air Force so they know a thing or two about metallurgy and building solid weapons systems. Add in the Beretta pedigree from one of the founders and their reputation, though not widely known, is well deserved.

    Works for me.

    They may be less expensive, but they're far from cheaply made.

    Just my 0.02 kopeks.

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    A major issue in California is that Bersa did not spend the time or money required to "register" anything but the 380's for the California qualified hand gun list...that means that no dealer can sell any new Bersa in California and no one can ship a bersa (new or used) other than one of the 380's that is on the list (all the 380's are not on the list). Lots of folks feel if Bersa doesn't think their guns can pass the California "drop and safety test" that they don't want to own them. There are some 9's and 45's that have been around in the state and can be sold private party to private party but no dealer can sell them and again no one like dealer or private party can ship them into the state....That coupled with the disconnect spring hassles on the earlier 380's (don't know if they ever fixed it) and no local warranty repair shops (the best and I think the closest was in Fort Collins, Colorado) were, again, red flags. I had 2 of the duo tone 380's and sold both of them because I was into bigger calibers....they didn't bring near what I'd paid for them.

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    I own many pistols-1911's-Bersa's-Taurus-Ruger's
    I can say without a doubt that my Bersa's are the MOST reliable of them all 110%. I have never had a malfunction of any kind with them.mechanical or ammo.
    Bersa Thunder 9-Bersa Thunder 380-Bersa Thunder 40UC Pro
    I should have said that my Ruger's are 200% reliable, but they are Revolvers.
    My 1911's are next in line 99.99%
    My 1911's and Bersa's are my daily carry pistols.Your life depends on them working

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    As mentioned on other post, I've got one Bersa built Firestorm 22lr, Two BT380s and the 9UC which is now my primary carry. Like any gun, you can get one with problems. On new guns, the lifetime warranty covers the issues, and I've seldom heard a case where a used one could not be repaired, but there are a few around. I feel comfortable enough with the brand that one of my 380s and the FS22lr were purchased used. For the overall volume of sales, I don't blame them for not dealing with California on other than the 380 sales. I don't remember which company(s) it was, but this is not the first time I've heard that a smaller company had decided not to deal with the overboard regulations for which California is noted. My only complaint is that the finish is not the best on the Bersas, but I've not had a single mechanical problem with any of the four. The only problem I've ever had with the BT380s is a "me" problem. I have a grip problem due to some carpal tunnel and little finger neuropathy nerve damage and have had a half a dozen "limp wrist" failures to chamber over the six years on the two 380s I have. When I shoot the 380s for defense shooting, I use both hands and have not had the problem from this position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sully2 View Post
    1. cost $$$$$ When you buy a handgun based on $$$...your just asking for problems
    2. Hard on the hands after 60+ rounds .. That would be enough to cool me from buying
    3. Field stripping is a challenge...That would be enough to cool me from buying

    .extra mags are HARD to find....That would be another BIG negative for me

    Why is field stripping hard? I can field strip my 380-40-9 in about as much time as it took to type this.

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    To be honest with you the only complaints I've heard about Bersa is that the finish is not good as some other brands. Oh and, to cut some production costs they come in a cardboard box instead of a plastic carrying case.

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    I just bought a Thunder .380 as a CC handgun and love it. So much so that I'm researching their .45 UC as my next purchase instead of a 1911.

    That said, in regards to the Argentinian police and military carrying Bersa sidearms, you have to remember that (1) by buying Bersa's they're keeping Argentinians employed, (2) it's a matter of self-sufficiency (much like the US military buying weapons made in the US), (3) it's a matter of national pride, and (4) these decisions are usually more political than proven performance. On the other hand, if they were garbage, either some Bersa executives would be doing time in the worst kind of S American hellhole prison or they'd be swapping them out with FN or Beretta products.

    But I don't think that's the case. I've been pretty impressed with the quality of mine, after being a little leery of the low price. I DID lose the screw that holds the rear sight in place the first day at the range, but Bersa promptly sent a replacement from NJ to MI and I got it within 3 days - over Christmas. I've run about 150 rounds through it so far w/o issue. It's a solid shooter - and deadly accurate at 7 yds right out of the box - and even my gun-oriented in-laws seemed surprised by the quality when they handled it. I don't think you can find a better value out there. And it feels good not to pay for a name.

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    While Argentina isn't exactly a super power, Bersa Thunders are the standard sidearm of the Argentine military and police.
    Last edited by FrankBrady; 03-02-2013 at 11:40 PM. Reason: left out a word.

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    Just to keep this information on a relatively current page (although others have posted this in the nearly five years this thread has been running), Bersa Thunders are the standard side arm of the Argentine military and police. They are design clones of the Walther P88, one of the best engineered pistols every made IMHO. One of the reasons for the low price is the exchange rate--which is working very much in favor of the dollar at this point. Finally, I suspect that at least some of the "doubt" about Bersa reliability is generated by competitors who are vulnerable on the price point vs. quality metric (present company excluded, of course). I've personally put thousands of rounds through a Bersa Thunder 9UC and a Bersa Thunder 45 UC with zero problems. No FTF. No FTE. No problems. Nada. None.

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