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    Are you sure on that web address. Bersa.com comes up with a dead web page on my end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dsig1 View Post
    Handguns magazine promises an upcoming article that will include Bersa. Look for it.
    Did they say what month that was going to show in?

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    longest, most reliable,error proof...why not go with a bowandarrow???http://www.handg

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    Bersas haven't been adopted (or, to the best of my knowledge, even tested) by any major military or law enforcement agency. This means that objective, easily accessible test results don't exist. Thus, their short- and long-term reliability and durability are in question.

    I know that they've been tested by gun rags, but gun rag "tests" seldom expend more than a couple of hundred rounds, and tend to gloss over any failures anyway.

    And I know lots of people on the internet post about their excellent Bersas. But once again, we almost invariably see opinions based on low round counts, usually just a couple hundred rounds. I think this may be partially because serious shooters who expend lots of ammo are generally attracted to guns with longer and deeper track records than Bersa can currently produce.

    While Bersas may indeed be excellent, long lived, totally reliable pistols, I haven't seen anything that objectively establishes such. I can, however, easily access test results with multiple sample guns firing thousands (or tens of thousands) of rounds with Beretta, Glock, SIG, HK, and S&W, for example.

    I'm not saying Bersas are bad pistols at all - I know several people who are very pleased with their Bersa .380s. But I think this is why you see "doubt" about them. When someone takes thirty randomly selected Bersas and puts 10,000 rounds through each of them, then reports mean rounds between failure, number of broken parts if any, and accuracy before and after...well, then I will start taking them seriously as service pistols (assuming they survive the test).

    And I think I have a reasonable idea of how to shoot, and what good shooting looks like.

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    Try www.bersa.com.ar or bersatalk.com or www.bersafirearmusa.com I did just a search on bersa forums and came up with these

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    Here's 1000+ rounds in one go through a bersa:

    http://www.bersafirearmsusa.com/videos/test.html

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    I use a Bersa .380 'pimp-daddy' gun (black with gold levers) for SOB carry on occasions where it's really got to be tucked away. It shoots well and easily, and part of that is a bigger grip, for me. I carried a Thunder Pro (I think) .45 for a while but it seemed to be a harsh shooter in my old hands. It required clean slippery magazines to feed correctly. I upgraded it to the current Ruger P345 which feels much more gentle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1911 View Post
    Are you sure on that web address. Bersa.com comes up with a dead web page on my end.
    Try www.bersachat.com best info and a lot of fun

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    Doubt with Bersa

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    I have been looking for a CCW .45 for some time. I have looked (and shot) the glock, colt, ruger & S/W all great guns. However, I have not been able to fine a bersa thunder 45 to rent. All the ranges have stated they don't rent because of reliability. All the research I have done there is very little negative feedback on the Bersa irregardless of cal. My question is why is there so much bad talk about the Bersa? Most of the negative statments are mad from IMO are people who think they can shoot but really dont know how. I know I will catch crap for that but it is true. And for the record I am an ex-cop, ex-military, and was on the Air Force EST teams as a sniper. So I think I know how to shoot and shoot well. Your responses are welcomed
    Love small guns... Owned many... Study CCW and it's tactics... Have owned many Bersas/Firestorms...Don't carry it to defend myself. I have owned (and still own) 22LR, 32 acp, 380 (most models), 9mm, 40... We enjoy shooting these on the range... All of these must be very clean to perform consistently - (our experience)... I have heard mixed results with these firearms... Generally, I trust my own personal results - while cognizant of other's results... and I am very demanding of a firearms - from a point of reliability... We have carried Glock, Ruger sp101/LCP, S&W 442 (no lock 1994/1999 versions), Kahr PM9, Kahr P380(after serious breakin)... There are a lot of good firearms out there...YOU just have to get comfortable with what you are carrying...

    If you "work" on the Bersa's... I'm sure they can be pretty reliable... Best of luck...

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    ok what is a good breakin shots for a bresa firestorm 380?

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    I own a Bersa 383DA and love it. The first one would not stay open after the last shot, bad slide. Bersa put a new slide on it and
    same thing. The second time I sent it back, they replaced the whole pistol..... not one jam, FTF, or glitch of any kind no matter what I fed it. My only issue with Bersa is they stopped making the clips for it when they stopped making the pistol. (Note to self, buy
    at least four extra clips when buying the pistol. Maybe if they get enough emails at Bersa.com requesting the clips they will make
    them again.) The Bersa is going in the vault with the last good clip I have for it. I just bought a Walther PPK/S and was torn
    between the Walther and the Bersa. Spent the extra money and got the Walther because the trigger felt better and the history with
    out of production clips. I pick the Walther up tomorrow and am ordering extra clips tomorrow as well.

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    Why so much doubt with Bersa

    Greetings...

    I'm new and just here to research... but thought that I woud add some input to the Bersa chat... since it was one of the top topics when I logged in.

    Looks like there are many reasons that people have doubts about Bersa... lack of test data... lack of retail support... lack of respect for the Argintinian factor... and so may ways to spend more money on a Carry gun.

    I'll add another. Bersa's are known for a blotchy finish... nothing polished looking about this brand... and very few people would ever be impressed with it.

    I am much more impressed by my other Semi-Autos... and none are really expensive (Berettas, Ruger)... but I carry the Bersa Thunder .45... a lot of punch for the size and price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    Bersas haven't been adopted (or, to the best of my knowledge, even tested) by any major military or law enforcement agency. This means that objective, easily accessible test results don't exist. Thus, their short- and long-term reliability and durability are in question.

    While Bersas may indeed be excellent, long lived, totally reliable pistols, I haven't seen anything that objectively establishes such. I can, however, easily access test results with multiple sample guns firing thousands (or tens of thousands) of rounds with Beretta, Glock, SIG, HK, and S&W, for example.

    I'm not saying Bersas are bad pistols at all - I know several people who are very pleased with their Bersa .380s. But I think this is why you see "doubt" about them. When someone takes thirty randomly selected Bersas and puts 10,000 rounds through each of them, then reports mean rounds between failure, number of broken parts if any, and accuracy before and after...well, then I will start taking them seriously as service pistols (assuming they survive the test).

    And I think I have a reasonable idea of how to shoot, and what good shooting looks like.
    Bersa supplies handguns to both the military & police forces in argentina. i've not seen the results & i'm not sure if they were even made public, bit, i'm sure the guns were tested extensively by these agencies before purchase.

    secondly, what percentage of gun owners will ever put 10,000 thru a pistol? i would guess not many. for the average shooter, wondering about 10,000 rd reliability is moot.

    TB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1911 View Post
    Are you sure on that web address. Bersa.com comes up with a dead web page on my end.
    Bersa Chat Forum

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    I've read of Beretta M9 pistols being tested under U.S. Army supervision at BUSA go 168,000 rounds before a single malfunction, now that's some good testing. "168,000" I still have a hard time believing that claim.

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    [QUOTE]"Bersa supplies handguns to both the military & police forces in argentina. i've not seen the results & i'm not sure if they were even made public, bit, i'm sure the guns were tested extensively by these agencies before purchase".

    Good point.

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    Again, I have had some experience with Bersas, and at their price point, I think they are good solid handguns. The only one I did not like was the CC version of the .380 Thunder. JMHO.

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    Argentina has a military? Who Knew?

    Did all 3 guys get a Bersa or do they have to share each guy gets to use it every 8 hours?

    Not a knock on Bersa I just actually laughed out loud when I read Argentina military. ......It probably isn't funny but but sure struck me that way today.

    RCG

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    I have a Bersa 9UC which I bought last Oct.and has over 2000 + rounds through it so far. It fits my hand beautifully, is very accurate and has a sweet smooth trigger on it. It is very bit as good as my S&W 439, which I bought 24 years ago. Last July I bought the BT 22, and now have over 1000's rounds through it. Another sweet pistol for the money. You can't beat them for their quality or price. Both are easy to break down for cleaning. Their value is great for the money, and you get excellent quality. They are very under rated by those who really don't know anything about them. Also, a life time warranty for the original owner. What more do you want. Go to Bersa Chat and enter their forum and get the feed back from the many satisfied Bersa owners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by recoilguy View Post
    Argentina has a military? Who Knew?

    Did all 3 guys get a Bersa or do they have to share each guy gets to use it every 8 hours?

    Not a knock on Bersa I just actually laughed out loud when I read Argentina military. ......It probably isn't funny but but sure struck me that way today.

    RCG
    They were the ones who fought the British over the Falkland Island. Argentina has a long history of maintaining not only a fine military, but being in the forefront, as far as South America is concerned, of maintaining some of the most cutting edge small arms that have been available. Not trying to put a plug in for the country or anything, but their history is what it is.

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