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    One of the reasons you do not hear of Bersa very often, is that they do not advertise which helps keep the cost down. Right now, I have 2 bersas and am looking for a third. People hate them because they are inexpensive, accurate, but not "look at this wonder gun-but don't touch it or drop it. It only cost 4 arms and a leg". Both my wife and I have no problem entrusting our lifes to them.

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    Wow I bet most people who "hate " Bersa never took the time to shoot one. I have heard people give my SR-9's a load of bad mouthing, My Bersa Thunder CC a bunch of bad mouthing and I am looking at a Stoeger Cougar right now and have heard my gun friends laugh that I would stoop so low. All of them have lost alot of respect from me because of their narrow mindedness. I own a Harley but I also own a Suzuki and a Kawasaki. I hear the same ignorant retoric from motorcycle people I am hearing from gun people. It bumms me out.

    Look for the good in the gun and allow the owner to enjoy his choice and take pride in his or her weapon. A Glock was untested at one time too. If buying a Bersa expands the group of people that do what we do it is a good thing. If buying a Bersa allows someone to protect them self for 350 bucks as opposed go unprotected because they can not afford 600 bucks and their bills cut them slack.

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    FWIW, I've owned a Bersa UC-45 for almost five years and several Bersa 9mm's for 1-5 years, depending on the particular gun. My wife shoots a Bersa 380 as BUG for her S&W "J" frame 38. My UC-45 has several thousand rounds through it and the Bersa 9's from 1,000 (the newest) to at least 4,000 for the oldest. With the exception of my UC-45 when it was new, NONE of my Bersa's has ever had a problem of any kind, period! Those initial problems I eventually discovered were due to weak recoil springs installed in certain production runs of the 45. My particular pistol was an early production model and I guess the bugs hadn't been completely removed by the factory. OTOH, after the cause of my problems was determined, that problem was corrected with new springs and I've never experienced another problem with the gun. Except for a Ruger P-85 I bought new in 1988 (which I still own) my Bersa's have been the most reliable and user friendly pistols I've ever owned. I currently own several SIG's, Rugers, CZ's and K-T pistols - to name a few - in addition to my Bersa's. I would gladly put my Bersa's up against any of them in quality and reliability.

    BTW, Bersa is the official pistol of the Argentine military as well as many local police forces in Argentina, where Bersa is made. I can only assume these organizations would not use a weapon that had problems with reliability. If you want to get the real lowdown on the "big" caliber Bersa pistols in 9mm, 40S&W and 45ACP you should check the main Bersa forum, http://bersatalk.com.

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    Mike Barham, I am buying a Bersa .380 from a pawn shop locally, and I'm concerned about the coil spring on the ejector (it may be worn) Should I order a new one right off or wait til put some rounds throught it? And what type do you recommend?
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    On the low price issue, the Argentine economy is in really bad shape, so they have a low exchange rate with the dollar and we can get a good quality handgun for a low U.S. price. I think that if Argentina's economy was as strong as Germany's for example, you'd see the Bersa have a bigger price tag - which is one of the reasons Sigs are more expensive.

    Almost all of the reviews I have seen rate the quality of Bersa very high; great features for a great price in Bersa's case means value, not cheap!

    Smiley

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    Almost everything I read about the Bersa Thunder 9s and 45s is very good. I have heard more good about them than the 380.

    Well made, good shooters, dependable, great features (with the exception of the finish, which is no big deal to me).
    Most reviews describe no FTFs and FTEs.

    The ultra-compact 9s and 45s get great ratings. Personally, I like the weight and balance of the UC 9, and I have large hands. To me, it has a great feel.

    The price is good because of the exchange rate, not cheap because of quality issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bryan1966 View Post
    I have been looking for a CCW .45 for some time. I have looked (and shot) the glock, colt, ruger & S/W all great guns. However, I have not been able to fine a bersa thunder 45 to rent. All the ranges have stated they don't rent because of reliability. All the research I have done there is very little negative feedback on the Bersa irregardless of cal. My question is why is there so much bad talk about the Bersa?
    I don't claim to know how to shoot, but I can say my UC9 compact has chewed through a few thousand rounds with nary a flaw... it's a superb gun, with most of the controls on both sides for lefties like me, very easy to shoot straight, eats all kinds of ammo including the steel cases, and the compact holds 13 rds... that's BIG for a designated compact carry gun.. wife's Glock 26 is 10, or 12 with a new style of mag..

    This Bersa is fabulous for the money, and compares well without even considering cost.. conventional hammer, but it's skeletonized... and unlike the glock, I can chamber a round and flip up the safety, and carry it with hammer down on a round in full safe mode. Pull it out of the pocket, flip down the safety and shoot 14 in a row, pulling double action on the first one. Safe, easy, not much thinking involved when you're reacting to something... it's the perfect conceal carry for me. all steel, rugged enough, should last a nice long time...

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    I have shot more than one Bersa. They are crap. I don't care who loves them or how many they own. Nobody is going to convince me that Bersas are of high quality. I won't tell anyone they are foolish for owning one, but I wouldn't reccommend them to anyone either. That is just my experience with them. Just so we are clear.....I have shot two brand new Bersa's (one 45, and i believe the other was a 9mm, It has been years since i shot the 9mm) and an older 380. I had cycling problems with the two newer ones. They were both owned by a friend of mine. He laughed and said "that's normal". I didn't think it was very funny. the 380 just slung lead all over the place. I think it had about a 16" group from 6 yards.

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    One thing I have noticed about Bersa folk is their extreme hate for other brands. I am not sure if it is a complex they have or just admission to the "Bersa Club" They bad mouth every other brand except the might Kel-Tec as if it justifies paying 350 for a weapon.

    I have witnessed more hate from Bersa folks then I have towards Bersas in my pistol owning and shooting experiance.

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    RCG, I have had the same feelings. I own two Bersas and had ongoing problems with both of them. The BT-380 I eventually fixed myself but could not post the fix on the BersaTalk Forum due to the admins rules. My 380cc has been to the favored gun smith on the forum twice for the same problem without resolution. Posting my experiences on BersaTalk got me nothing but silly messages about how I didn't know how to shoot a gun or that I should send the gun in again. Funny, I've been shooting for almost 30 years. I thought I had a pretty good idea about how to work a pistol. As for sending it in again, that would mean again spending quite a bit to ship to ship an inexpensive gun that I'm not convinced can be fixed based on prior experience with it.

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    It's too bad because they aren't an undesirable weapon and a lot of people shot now because they can afford a Bersa. As a matter of fact (well really my opinion) Bersas are a decent pistol. If someone is on a limited budget or wants to become a shooter or protect themself I think Bersa is a very wise choice. Owning a Bersa and being protected is way better then no being protected. Being able to go to the range with a Bersa is better for the shooting sport then to have someone not go.

    I haven't got anything against Bersa, I do not own one anymore, but the rabid Bersa owners hatred for plastic and their uncanny ability to dig up every other companies recalls and problems and then write their own shortcomings off so casually is unsettling. I understand loyalty, but I do not understand justifying by bad mouthing. It seems to be a popular Bersa owners trait. That is not saying anything bad about the gun or Bersa as a weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by recoilguy View Post
    It's too bad because they aren't an undesirable weapon and a lot of people shot now because they can afford a Bersa. As a matter of fact (well really my opinion) Bersas are a decent pistol. If someone is on a limited budget or wants to become a shooter or protect themself I think Bersa is a very wise choice. Owning a Bersa and being protected is way better then no being protected. Being able to go to the range with a Bersa is better for the shooting sport then to have someone not go.

    I haven't got anything against Bersa, I do not own one anymore, but the rabid Bersa owners hatred for plastic and their uncanny ability to dig up every other companies recalls and problems and then write their own shortcomings off so casually is unsettling. I understand loyalty, but I do not understand justifying by bad mouthing. It seems to be a popular Bersa owners trait. That is not saying anything bad about the gun or Bersa as a weapon.

    RCG
    Haven't done any recall-comps or any research at all, really.. just keep taking my UC9 to the range and staying happy.. I'm upwards of 3k rounds now, gun still perfect.. had an FTE on very first magazine, but it was a limpwrist and I firmed up the grip to put an end to it.. no more, after 3k rounds.. no failures at all... a solid steel, wonderfully built, totally ambidextrous (only the mag release is marooned on the left side, the rest of the controls all appear on both sides, very handy for me as a lefty) pistol... on the heavy side but not so bad...

    and it shoots as straight as anything else I've got.. reliable, solidly built, straight shooter... for $350... I just couldn't be happier..

    wife has a glock 26 and I like this Bersa MUCH better... I like that I can chamber a round and put it on safe and drop it in my pocket.. pull it out, flick down the safety, pull the first round DA and I'm shooting.. it seems the best way, to me... some ppl say the extra step of the safety introduces doubt as to whether it's ready to shoot... but for me, never having had anything else to use regularly, it's automatic in my mind to flick down that safety when I grab the gun... to each his own, I guess..

    Bersa... great gun, whatever the price... if you prefer plastic, never mind.. but a solidly built steel gun doesn't come much better than this.

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    Its good that you like your weapon and have good things to say about it. It is rare that a Bersa Pep doesn't put a Glock or Ruger down in the same sentence they are proping up their gun. Case in point.

    No Doubt the UC9 is a good 350 dollar steel pistol. It's not that I perfer plastic by any stretch it's that I like guns. Not just inexpensive straight shooting steel ones.

    I have never said a bad thing about the weapons Bersa makes...........in any of the posts I have made. I just made an observation. It must be how you get in the club.

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    Bersa reliability

    As the owner of a Bersa UC .45 since May, I can tell you, that Bersa may be the best kept secret in the handgun market today. I will not lie and say that the Bersa is equal to Glock, Sig etc. What I will say, is that Glock, Sig etc, may COST twice as much, but they are NOT twice the gun. To boot, Bersa has a lifetime warranty. In addition to the .45UC, I will be picking up my new UC 9 Pro later this month. And yes, my .45 has been sent back to the warranty center once...but not for anything mechanical. I felt the dutone finish on the slide was starting to peel, and a had a new slide installed under warranty.

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    My dad has the same atitude toward Bersa's.Im gonna get one just to make him mad.LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snakedoctor View Post
    As the owner of a Bersa UC .45 since May, I can tell you, that Bersa may be the best kept secret in the handgun market today. I will not lie and say that the Bersa is equal to Glock, Sig etc. What I will say, is that Glock, Sig etc, may COST twice as much, but they are NOT twice the gun. To boot, Bersa has a lifetime warranty. In addition to the .45UC, I will be picking up my new UC 9 Pro later this month. And yes, my .45 has been sent back to the warranty center once...but not for anything mechanical. I felt the dutone finish on the slide was starting to peel, and a had a new slide installed under warranty.
    Your story is impressive. So many of the louder complaints I've heard on the primary Bersa forum delt with Bersa not warrantying the finishes on their pistols. Congradulations on getting yours fixed!

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    I think a better question is why so little interest in Bersas? Why no activity?

    No one even looks at the Bersa forum on here. The bersatalk forum has 15 frequent posters and everyone else just reads it and runs away from it as fast as they can. Bersas aren't bad weapons, as a matter of fact they are nice guns. I understand on a board like this there actually has to be a few of them sold to generate some action. Maybe thats it, I am curious.

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    I use a Bersa Thunder 9 Pro HC. I don't have a lot of experience with other models but the full size Bersa fits my hand well and I like the heft of it as well as the large magazine. It seems that most who swear by Bersa use the UC's and I see very little commentary on the HC version. I can tell you it shoots as straight as I do and has never failed at the range.

    Mark me down as a Bersa supporter.

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    Well, after reading this, Im actually considering a Thunder 9 Pro HC. Shame no ranges around here have Bersas to shoot at the range. Oh well, for 350 USD, I guess I really cant complain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rys2k8Altima View Post
    Well, after reading this, Im actually considering a Thunder 9 Pro HC. Shame no ranges around here have Bersas to shoot at the range. Oh well, for 350 USD, I guess I really cant complain
    Thunder HC9mmPro is a great gun. I have one and recently purchased a laser sight from my brother for it.

    Bersa is a great brand that gets little recognition due to the almost non-existent advertising here in the states. Bersa is made in Argentina and the full size Thunder combat pistol is the standard sidearm of the Argentina Armed Forces (Thunder 9), Argentina Federal Police (Thunder 9), Buenos Aires Provincial Police (Thunder 9) and several other Law Enforcement agencies (Thunder 9 & 40).

    So in that region of their world, Bersa is counted on by the good guys daily. Until just a few years ago I had never heard of FNH. or HK. so it is not surprising that many have not heard of Bersa.
    Most people know, S&W, Ruger, Browning,Colt, Winchester and the other big name American founded brands. But there are many that have never even heard of Springfield.
    No lie. I have a friend that lives in Ill, BIG gun guy. When I told him about my Springfield XDm he said. He never looked at generic guns. I asked him if it was the XDm or Springfield he did not know and he said he had never heard of Springfield. This dude is about 50 years old. If he had never heard of Springfield he has probably never heard of Bersa.

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