Beretta Tomcat dissatisfaction
Hey all ...
So ... about 6 months I bought a Tomcat .32. I don't own a lot of guns, but I guess I've just been lucky with the auto's I do because they are darn near perfect as to how well they shoot and for dependability.
But then I got this tomcat, a Beretta and a good brand, and my luck has been pretty bad.
I have now probably spent as much for "test" ammunition as I have for the gun. The only HP it will feed is Winchester silver point. Every other HP (Hydra shock, Fiochii, etc.) jams as often as 1 round every other mag. Since this is strictly an SD weapon, reliability is the only thing I care about and reliable it is NOT.
I have had pretty good luck with Fiochi FMJ (only 1 FTE out of 50 there) so when I do carry it that's what I carry it with with a Fiochi HP in the pipe (one in the pipe never jams it). But I don't have a high level of confidence that I can rely on it to feed a whole mag.
BTW -- I do often have the last round in the mag jam, but I don't actually count that because I'd read that could happen before buying it. If I could just get the first 6 to feed reliably I'd be happy.
Other people in this forum have sung the praises of this little gun. What should I do? This is the only really small auto I like, because I require a manual safety on my carry weapons, but I want to know it's going to go *bang* every time I pull the trigger.
BTW -- I do have 2 different mags. Both are Beretta. The one that came with it slightly better than the other, but neither is perfect.
I've thought about contacting Beretta, but from my friend's experience with various gun companies the problems just don't happen often enough to prove there's a problem. How much does Beretta test?
Either try some Meg-Gar mags in it, or get some Wolff springs for the mags you have. If that don't cure it take it to next gun show and trade it off. Forget customer sevice with Beretta. Their nuts.
I'm with Baldy. It's a shame your experience with this gun wasn't so good. Beretta is a top name in the firearms business and you shouldn't have to make modifications to the gun to make it function properly. I would call or write them about this problem to at least try to get them to fix it, if it can be fixed.
Anyway, thanks for the report. I've been considering picking up one of these used if I had the chance; now I think I'll pass.
In all honesty - while we are all used to using hollow points for defense - have U looked at ballistic tests for a 32? Go here, we have a thread on it:
.32 Ballistics Test
I just bought a Keltec 32 a month or two back. I've decided to use FMJ for penetration. Corbon was the only hollow point that reliably expands enough to make it worthwhile. But U give up penetration. 32 is small enough to possible be effected by thick clothing and such (although, honestly, in that caliber, U should make a head shot if U need to defend yourself). The penetration stats for the hollow points are not very good.
Also, be aware that 32 semi-autos can suffer from rimlock - basically, the hollow points are shorter than FMJ rounds, and the rim can cross over the rim of the casing below it, and jam up your mag. Keltec makes a guide-wire kit to put in the mag for people who carry hollow points, in order to help prevent this. Or, U can just carry FMJ (as I do). I do not think Beretta offers that.
Finally, I may be remembering wrong - but doesn't Beretta recommend that U only use Winchester Silvertip ammo if U want to shoot hollow points thru the gun? I'd swear I heard someone else mention that a few years ago (I know that another 32 pistol also recommends this as well).
I haven't even tried shooting hollow points thru my Keltec, as I only use FMJ. Fiochi and Winchester White Box had the most penetration for a 32 round. realize that since that test, however, Winchester has reshaped their bullet, and even their FMJ round has a bullet shape similar to a hollow point. So, now I just use the Ficochi.
Thanks guys ...
Before buying the Tomcat I did a search on this very board and found a lot of positive posts. So don't let my negative post affect anybody's decision too much -- every brand has an occasional lemon.
I also did read up on loki.com and some of the other sites about .32 penetration, which is one reason I sought out the Fiocchi. Most of the jams, BTW, are feed jams where the round gets stuck halfway in. That could definitely be the spring in the mag, I suppose, but dang it the mags should work.
I did have 1 stovepipe, but only 1.
I've read about the issue with rimlock before, but to be honest I think it's a problem with the design of the gun. My other 2 autos I shoot HP out of, a Bersa and an S&W (both in 9mm), feed anything I jam into the mag. Any brand, any bullet configuration, any mix. After several thousand rounds of different ammo, I've never had a single jam in both.
That said ... knowing the issue with weak .32 ammo I'm fine with carrying FMJ, but while it works barely acceptably it's not perfect. Maybe I'm spoiled, but I want a gun that fails one time in 500, not even one time in 30. Especially with the fact that jams are hard to clear from this little weapon with no ejector.
Any other thouhgts? The feed ramp looks good to me. No obvious issues.
Well, to my knowledge, only 32 has an issue w/ Rimlock. Yes, all my 9mms and other semi autos work fine with any combination of brands. It seems to be the 32 that has the rimlock issue.
Try contacting Beretta. U will have to pay to ship it back , unfortaunetly. But, before U start polishing anything that may void your warranty, I would give them 1st crack to fix the gun. And, yes, trying more than 1 mag may be a start.
Not to be an ass here but the reason your 9's etc. dont have a problem with rimlock is they are rimless cartridges.Only the 32 has rimmed cases sooooo rimlock.
Only Beretta I would ever carry or own is my 950 in 25 auto. No need for even that any more. I pocket carry Keltec now either 32 or 380. Smaller thinner and a 10 times better trigger . I have over a 1000 rounds thru mine and never a problem. Use S&B , Corbon ammo These are DA pistols and no need for a safety they won't fire till trigger pulled. So get a pocket holster and a Kel Tec. Sell the Cat and move to a ugly but better pistol.
Originally Posted by scooter
I don't mind speaking their mind to me, even being a smart ass, when they have something to teach me. But I'm afraid you're not entirely right and it's not a valid point in any case.
We're talking about the .32 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol) cartridge. I know that technically it's "semi-rimmed" (not "rimmed" by any means -- compare it to any rimmed round and it's obvious) but when I look at it and a 9mm side by side I'm danged if I can tell the difference. If I roll both on a flat surface I can tell there's a miniscule rim on the .32, but not much.
But it's not the only semi-rimmed round. Also semi-rimmed are the .25, the .380, and the .38 ACP/.38 Super. The only one of those I know anything about is the .380, and there are several 100% reliable .380's -- like the Bersa, for instance.
So why does the semi-rimmed round work so well in .380, either HP or FMJ, but not in the .32?
And why do some people on this very board report that their Tomcat will feed anything the put in it?
(of course, in that same thread there was another guy who loved this Tomcat but did say it was picky on ammo).
It will, BTW, fire silver tips with no more issues than FMJ, but silver tips have a profile similar to FMJ.
Last edited by steve_w; 09-25-2006 at 12:44 AM.
Never had a .25 but the 380acp is not semi rimmed it is rimless and I have also never had a 38 super. any body else have one?????
I don't own a .380 but do have some ammo. It does appear to be as rimless as 9mm, so I guess I was misinformed on that. The "semi rimmed" rim is virtually undetectable, but I guess there is a very tiny rim back there.
I've also never owned a .25, but if it is semi-rimmed (don't have any ammo) I have known a couple of people with .25's they swear with any ammunition. Never looked into it much as I'm not interested in a .25.
Bottom line, though ... some people have had good luck with the Tomcat, and others, myself included, have not. I'd love to see what the difference is.
Last edited by steve_w; 09-25-2006 at 11:27 PM.
Well it is "Possible" you got the 1 in a 1000 lemon It doo happen
Originally Posted by steve_w
32 cal tomcat load jam
I just bought my 32 cal beretta. I love the size but on my first 150 rounds, I got a load jam. Also the trigger is difficult to pull when the gun is not cocked to fire. I am still new to shooting and chose a 32 for size and that I can shoot with 1 hand. I was using winchester ammo. I figure this is just a matter of getting used to the gun and braking it in.
I must admit, this is going to cause me to consider a revolver for home protection maybe even for concealed carry. I feel a 9, 357 , 380 are too bit for concealed cary. I am also going to get a 22 taruris for practice. Since it's the same size as the 32 beretta.
I was shooting my beretta last night and now the damn thing wont work. load jams EVERY TIME. I am taking it back to academy with hopes they can help resolve this. The beretta 32 is a piece of junk. Now the trigger won't reset back to where it should be after the rounds shoots. The gun won't shoot right without jamming in some way.
Academy won't take that gun back. Your probably going to have to deal with Beretta directly. I have purchased a few guns from Academy and you have to sign a form saying you will not return it to them.
I can tell you from my dealings with The big B, their customer service leaves a lot to be desired.
I purchased a Berreta Tomcat 32. I went to the range that same day. I did not have a failure to feed or fire. The pocket pistols from Berreta ( and Taurus), do not have an extractor. they do have an ejector. the extraction process is done by the blowback of the round fired. to clear a feed jam, just push the barrel release. the barrel will tip up, fling the offensive round in the direction the barrel moves(straight up).
How often am I supposed to clean the gun? I am a TOTAL NOOB so my appologies for making anyone mad. But still 350 rounds seems like nothing to me and I don't think I should have to clean out the gun that often.
What is considered heavy, medium or light shooting. ie how many rounds = heavy, medium etc..
To be fair, I HAVE NEVER CLEANED THIS GUN. I will do this later this week and shoot agian. If no joy, then I want my money back.
I personally only put about 200 rounds through my guns between cleaning and always clean them after I get back from the range regardless of how many I put through it. I know with the Beretta pocket pistols aka M-21 you need to clean it frequently due to the mass amounts of powder residue that collects in the chamber and breech face. With the .22 I clean it about every 200-250 rounds before it will have problems fully chambering the round. I don't have any experiance with .32 auto and don't know how dirty that ammo can make your gun become. but better safe than sorry. If for a CCW, ensure you break it down once a week and wipe out all the oil and pocket lint that will collect in it and re lube it and reassemble. Hope that helps, take care of your guns and they should take care of you.
I would consider less than 50 rounds light. up to 200 med, past 200 heavy. I usually spray mine and swab the barrel after every range session. It could be a lack of oil that causes your jams.
Originally Posted by Wheels
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