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    This is a pocket gun, not really a range gun. Even if U had a trouble free moedel - I would venture to say that this is not a gun U take to the range to shoot 500 rounds thru. These size guns are NOT range gun - like their fullsize counterparts. I could see maybe 100-150 at a session, but probably not more.

    Its not made to be a target gun. Basically, it is an emergency gun that U occassionally shoot at the range to make sure it works. Heavy use will probably wear it out faster. And, it will fail due to fouling faster than a larger gun will. If you wanted a gun to shoot 500 rounds at a session, U should have bought a different class of a gun - not a mouse gun.

    I have my Keltec 32 - The most I have shot thru it at 1 session was 100 rounds. It has never jammed, but it isn't a gun I'd sit at the range and fire with for hours. Now, I just run a mag or two thru it occassionally to ensure reliability and just to stay in practice.

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    Wheels, Ship is right your typical 32. is not a range grade gun. It is the type you shoot a mag or two through once in a while to make sure is functions properly. It has been my experience that most 380s. and larger tend to be more reliable and can withstand long range secessions better. Everyone needs a pocket gun though, my pocket gun is a Polish P64 9X18 Makarov that has been 100% reliable was only $160 and packs more punch than a 32. Since youíre new to this whole thing and want something reliable, carry and range worthy I would suggest a compact 9mm of some kind. There are tons of reliable compact 9mm options out there. Keep in mind a 380. tends to have more snap to it than a 9mm due to the blow back system the majority of 380s use.
    In one of your post you said you thought 380, 9mm and 357 were too bit to carry but if you read around this and other sites you will find that the vast majority of CCW guys carry a mid to full sized auto or revolver in 9mm or larger. Your holster and clothing have everything to do with concealing a firearm not so much the size of the gun.
    Keep in mind most of what you read about what you should have as a defense/carry gun is opinion and we all have them. I am probably the least caliber prejudice guy on this forum but even I draw the line at anything below 380 as a personal protection gun. I would carry a 32 but only as a backup gun.
    Keep an open mind about what gun you want and your options can get a litter overwhelming but I consider that adding spice to life.

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    Thanks both to ship & max.
    My next gun is going to be an xd 9mm service gun. Then perhaps a xd sub compact.
    As far as mouce gun goes, I guess I just paid 3 bills for the lesson eh? I did notice that beretta does not say anything about don't put more than 50 rounds through at 1 time!!

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    Well, a fullsize gun is more fun at the range. For target use, I like guns with a 4" barrel or longer. I shoot them better.

    For a compact 9mm, I love my Walther P99c A/S. But, I prev had a Glock 26 or years. The XD subcompact is nice too, from what I hear.

    I love my P99c, but I still never shoot a compact as well as I do the fullsize guns. So, decide what U want the gun for. Range use or CCW or both. Decide if U only want the smaller gun, or if U want the 4" XD.

    Another thing - that Tomcat should be able to go 100 round straight w/o a problem. If it doesn't, then contact Beretta.

    I have heard that the blue steel Tomcats have had many more problems than the stainless ones - the stainless models are a bit thicker. I almost went with a tomcat myself a year ago, but I found it to be so wide for a 32 - almost approaching the size of the small 9mms. So, I opted for the Keltec 32 - a super thin gun.

    Anyway, good luck!

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    Beretta sent me a new gun last week. - Minus the packing greese. I poped 50 rounds through it with no problem. Then brought it home and cleaned it with clp and otters gun oil. Plan on putting another 50 to 100 again this week.

    I also bought a new xd 9mm. I love that gun. I also cleaned it after firing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wheels View Post
    Beretta sent me a new gun last week. - Minus the packing greese. I poped 50 rounds through it with no problem. Then brought it home and cleaned it with clp and otters gun oil. Plan on putting another 50 to 100 again this week.

    I also bought a new xd 9mm. I love that gun. I also cleaned it after firing.

    If the new Beretta is working fine and you have a good working XD that gives you a great combination of carry/range gun and a BUG. Congrats.

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    bring a rag

    So I started to carry a rag with me to the range. After about 30 rounds, I wipe the inside of the gun until it's silver and smooth again. This has gotten rid of the load jams I think. The .32 does not make it to 100 rounds with out a load jam. So I guess you can say I am still disappointed.

    After getting the xd 9mm service, I am in love with this gun. Now I want the xd 9mm subcompact. I just gotta find one to shoot.

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    Sorry to hear that - I can go to 100 rounds thru my Keltec w/o any problems.

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    Broke again

    yup. Now the barrel will not lock down on the .32. Back to broketta for repairs. I want my money back. I want a subcompact xd 9mm instead.

    Or me and broketta are going to have a very difficult relationship.

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    Wow, that sucks. I am so glad I never got one then. I heard that the stainless is sturdier. Maybe you should insist on one. Then, sell it when they send it to U before U even fire it.

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    i am goin to try that. I love the size of this gun but if the damn thing does not work then what's the use?

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    I bought my wife a Tomcat for Christmas. We went to the range yesterday, and she complained about difficulty pulling the trigger. It seems that first DO pull is a little hard for her...It seems easy enough to me, but I learned a long time ago that my perception is often different than her perception.

    How hard is it to modify or replace that hammer spring? Are there even after-market products for this little gun?

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    Well, U may have to ask this at the Beretta Forum. I honestly don't think U can do much for it. U might get a trigger job done by polishing some of the surfaces - but I don't think there is anything U can do about the spring w/o risking misfires....

    So, a polish job may smooth out the DA pull a little. But the gun is known for having that heavy 1st shot in DA.

    U may wanna look at the Keltect 32. I'll bet she would like that trigger. Also, the gun is a little smaller. Recoil is fine in it, though, despite the polymer frame.

    Not what ya wanted to hear, but best I can do...

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    Thanks for the input, she'll just have to get used to it.

    She can squeeze off a couple before she complains....in an emergency I doubt she would even notice. Besides, the second round is SA and ready to go, so it's really only an issue with that first DO pull.

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    Kinda getting into this thread late but I'll give my observations. I bought a Tomcat over ten years ago when they first came out and sold it after one month because of the same jamming experiences. It would stove pipe with any short profile round at least TWICE every mag. I've noticed on this and other forums that when it comes to these ultra small 32s such as the Tomcat, Seecamp, NAA, etc.., that they have varying reliability issues crop up quite often. It could be that there are 5 times as many that we don't hear of that don't have any problems...I don't know. It just seems that when you have an ultra-small pistol that has a very short slide stroke in guns such as the Seecamp and Beretta, the reliability factor becomes a crapshoot. The Keltec is probably the only locked-breach 32 out there and doesn't get as dirty as quickly as a blowback pistol, though any of these should run 100% even if you forgot to clean it the last time around firing a minimum of rounds. I have a 1943 Colt 1903 Pocket 32 ACP "U.S. Property" that is all original and have put Silvertips, XTP's and about every other brand of FMJ's including my own reloads in both FMJ and HP through it and the pistol has never jammed, not even once. Granted, it's about the size of a standard Walther PP which by today's standards wouldn't be considered a pocket gun unless you're wearing cargo pants or similar or inside a large vest pocket, but there's something to be said about these old midsize "pocket guns". They have longer slides which equate to heavier slide mass and their slide stroke during recoil is also longer. Things like "rimlock", whether using FMJ or shorter profile HP's regardless of standard or hot loads( and I've done reloading experiments with all kinds) make it pretty much a non-issue, since there's enough inertia to overcome this problem. I've actually never measured the slide stroke on my Beretta when I had it but I personally think that it is at the very least a contributing factor in the reliability problems that we hear of. I wouldn't abdicate that everybody go out and find a vintage pocket gun, but there are other options that were addressed in this thread about slightly larger 380's and 9mm's that would give you a little more piece of mind. On a side note, even though I've read some problems crop up with the Keltec pistols too, they have been much fewer and far between as compared to other pistols in it's class, but I also think it's contributed to slightly more slide mass and slide stroke as mentioned above. Magazine design and spring strength play an important part also but it seems that on the smaller guns that they have to be calibrated just right more so than larger guns in order for them to be reliable.

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    Hey Steve: I bought the same thing and also had those problems but have to add one more. New out of the box with the safety on you could pull the trigger and it would fire. There was tension on the trigger with the safety engaged but you could fire it. Took it back and trade it for a Bersa 380. Problem solved.

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    I sold the .32 today at a gun show for $200.00. I got the gun on Monday from the manufacture and did not fire it once. I priced around a couple of different places and 2 bills was the best I could get.

    I bought a .22 Harrington and Richardson revolver for 165. Very rusty and needs love but I am looking forward to shooting it.

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    Smile

    I saw a Beretta Tomcat at a too tempting price I don't know if I can pass it up

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    I have a few .32's. And I have .45's. Itís been my experience with both to stick with FMJ ammo for reliability. The rounds seen to ramp and feed smoother with fewer problems. Buy some quality FMJ rounds and if it does not feed them well it's time for the Lora to hit the road!

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    Question

    Quote Originally Posted by CHICAGO TYPEWRITER View Post
    well it's time for the Lora to hit the road!
    what is a Lora ?

    btw if I buy the Tomcat I'll be loading mine with Glasers

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    If anyone sees a Tomcat for that low $200, please let me know. I really want one!!

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    My bro has a bereta in .25 cal, I think it's a tomcat. It been very reliable, I've shot over 400 round through that little sucker and there has been no jam on me yet. Pretty accurate at 7-10 yards, I would use it as a CC Gun only if I don't have any other.

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    +1 Meg-Gar mags

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    I have one and like it. In retrospect I jumped up to 9 minimum for personal protection. Althout I do have what I call an eye poker, NAA mini-revolver in 22 Mag. I call it that because you might need to poke someone in the eye with it to bring them down(ha,ha) Anything is better than nothing, right?
    I'm with Baldy, most customer service sucks. Go trade it off at a gun show and get something else. Maybe a Kahr PM9?

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