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    Modern 9mm JHPs are perfectly adequate for personal defense. The Beretta is an extremely reliable pistol. Anyone with both is well armed.

    All pistols are weak weapons. .40s and .45s are slightly more potent than 9mm, but that does not cancel out the 9mm's advantages in lighter recoil (and thus faster shooting) and considerably less expensive practice ammo.
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    Yeah all of those factors actually appeal to me... The 92 isn't a cannon (easier recoil for the newbie behind the grip), less expensive ammo to make holes in paper at the range, reliable, easy to field-strip.. probably easy to maintain (which I plan on keeping it immaculate as possible)... won't be a side-arm for carry except on rare occasion.. Sounds like a great 1st pistol, and sure isn't hard on the eyes.

    The more I read up on the M&P's, it seems like the magazine reviewers really dig those as well as the XD's.. I did read some criticisms about XD's being a little more prone to rust issues which makes me lean toward the S&W M&P's, though I imagine it's all pretty much who you ask.. I did see an HS2000 (pre-springfield XD) that had 20k+ rounds through it and looked fabulous for it's age.. rails were crisp anyway (to my novice eyes).

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    just wanted to say thank's to mike barham for doing a service to
    our country.i know you guys dont here this as much as you should
    i was in the air force during peace time.again thank you for your
    service to your country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawgsm View Post
    just wanted to say thank's to mike barham for doing a service to
    our country.i know you guys dont here this as much as you should
    i was in the air force during peace time.again thank you for your
    service to your country.
    Just read back through this thread and getting at least just a little taste of perspective of what it's like over there.. about all I can say is one big mega Ditto to the above..

    The word "thanks" needs a stronger variant in the English language.. and spread that around to the other guys as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    The main problem is the lousy magazines floating around in theater, especially for the M9. The Check-Mate mags suck, but it is very hard to get anything else. I had to have my wife send me some OEM Beretta mags for my personal pistol.
    Count me in for at least 2 (of the 15 round clips, right?). I can order them tomorrow if you can just let me know how to get them to you. Since wifey set you up already, if you don't need them, give them to one of your guys that do. Unless I don't know any better and they are not available stateside. I just got the idea from your post, but haven't really checked to see if they are available. If there are any of the aftermarket ones that are good and are cheaper/available, tell me which ones and I could probably spring for a few of those for your bro's.

    Let me know.

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    Well, thanks very much for all the good wishes!

    Wyatt, your offer is very much appreciated, but we are blessedly on our way out of this place in just a few short weeks. You can buy the beer when we get home, though!

    Oh, and I have an update on M9 durability. We had our first M9 go down about ten days ago. The spring for the disassembly button broke. The weapon still functioned fine in terms of firing, but it couldn't be taken apart for cleaning. We ordered a replacement spring (it's not part of our bench stock) and had the weapon up and running again in short order. This has been our only recorded problem with the M9 battalion-wide. Say what you will about the Beretta, but the pistol does work.
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    That's making me feel better about reconsidering my friends 92FS Inox again.. Assuming that it's the same quality/design... I figure for a great shape 92 with finger-wrap grips, two carry holsters, a box of speer ammo and a few mags, $550 isn't too terribly bad.. After closer inspection of the bore and slide and condition.. I'm all over it I think.

    I only wish it was a .40, but I guess ammo at the range will be cheaper and with 15 + 1, any home intruders would be met with hopefully-well-placed double or triple taps instead of one big bang.

    And since it has no case, I found a very solid case that'll make a great pistol case if and when I ever need it.

    So I'm full circle all the way back around to the original pistol I was considering when I joined the forum.. He's not listing it as it's basically just mine when I can justify the expenditure. I sure miss disposable income.

    Good to hear you're almost out of there. Get home safe Mike.

    If I were in AZ, I'd buy the first round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babs View Post
    So I'm full circle all the way back around to the original pistol I was considering when I joined the forum.. He's not listing it as it's basically just mine when I can justify the expenditure. I sure miss disposable income.

    Good to hear you're almost out of there. Get home safe Mike.

    If I were in AZ, I'd buy the first round.
    I think you should go for it. I'm ordering an Inox 92fs from budsgunshop this week.

    If I were in AZ, I'd buy a round as well Thanks from me as well for your service to our country Mike, it's greatly appreciated. Maybe I can buy you a round some day as I am considering applying for jobs in Arizona when I graduate this year. I'm sick of these gun laws here and I wouldn't mind the warm weather as I am a motorcycle guy as well

    -Jeff-

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    Come to Arizona! You can ride your bike pretty much year-round in AZ, as long as you don't live in the mountains. And you can open carry while you ride.
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    babs, 9mm is perfectly good for defense with modern JHP ammo. .40 is hardly the Hammer of Thor, regardless of what mall ninjas on the internet may claim.
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    Mike, when I saw your post about the problem mags I didn't realize how old it was (doh!). Wish I had found this site sooner, maybe we could have gotten a paper drive going to get some to your unit.

    But the good news is your coming home soon. Look forward to your safe return, with gratitude and appreciation for your service.

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    "Mall Ninja's" ???

    hehehehehe

    Thanks Jeff.. Yeah this Inox actually has all the same color finish with the controls, rather than the black I've seen on some.. Don't know if this means something as far as a different variant or where it's made etc... Which I did forget to look at whether it was an Italian or US made.. Don't know that it matters. Dang good looking pistol.. There's a little finish wear here and there but I'm more concerned about the engine and drivetrain, rather than the paintjob and wheels.

    Some folks would say since it's an unregistered gun, all the better, though the first thing I'd be doing is getting the CC permit and registering it.

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    My impression of the M9s in my company - and I examined literally all of them before we deployed - is that the approximately 10% that are Italian-made are a little bit smoother than their Maryland-made equivalents, and have better triggers. However, this may simply be due to the fact that the Italian guns are older, have been shot more, and are consequently more "broken in."
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    I pulled a couple dry-fires on this one.. which I don't know is a bad thing to do once in a blue moon on beretta 92's or not (probably).. But the trigger felt sweeeeeeet. Mr newbie non-connoisseur here can definitely live with it.

    And I find that I actually like the decocker/safety setup.. You can guess on how much of a newb I am, I can probably safely say I have no business carrying C&L "condition-1" I guess you call it.. Don't know the conditions yet.

    Also.. On this particular 92, I noticed both front and rear sites are dove-tailed.. I'm guessing this is a good thing incase I ever wanted to upgrade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babs View Post
    Thanks Jeff.. Yeah this Inox actually has all the same color finish with the controls, rather than the black I've seen on some.. Don't know if this means something as far as a different variant or where it's made etc...
    Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've read and seen it's just that the newer one's have the black plastic controls rather than the same color. Doesn't really matter to me the reliability isn't an issue and still looks and feels like a GREAT pistol to me (suprisingly since I have small hands).

    -Jeff-

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    I've seen the guys on the beretta forum do some crazy finish jobs on them anyway it appears.. Actually on this gun I'm looking at he's polished the slide.

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