Originally Posted by TheLAGuy

Fully cocked with safety off? Or non-cocked, safety on?

Fully cocked, safety off is stupid and 99.8% of people do not carry that way. The .2 are probably not long forf this world.

If the gun is to be carried loaded...as it should be; it will be in one of the following states:
1: chamber loaded, no safety ie your Glock, M&P etc.
2: chamber loaded, hammer down safety on or off this would be for your beretta etc. They can be decocked and safety placed into the firing position. There are plenty of DA/SA guns that have a decocker and no safety.
3: hammer cocked, safety on. This is for your single action autos like the 1911, Hi Power and some other variants which are cocked and locked capable like some HKs and CZs.

Originally Posted by VAMarine

Fully cocked, safety off is stupid and 99.8% of people do not carry that way. The .2 are probably not long forf this world.

If the gun is to be carried loaded...as it should be; it will be in one of the following states:
1: chamber loaded, no safety ie your Glock, M&P etc.
2: chamber loaded, hammer down safety on or off this would be for your beretta etc. They can be decocked and safety placed into the firing position. There are plenty of DA/SA guns that have a decocker and no safety.
3: hammer cocked, safety on. This is for your single action autos like the 1911, Hi Power and some other variants which are cocked and locked capable like some HKs and CZs.

With a glock basically your saying you have it locked and loaded? Pull the trigger and your firing? Wouldnt that be considered risky?

...He keeps asking the very same question, over and over again.

"...Are you sure?"
"Really?"
"Really sure?"
"Really, really sure?"

"...Isn't that risky?"
"Are you sure it's not risky?"
"Are you really sure it's not risky?"
"Are you really, really sure it's not risky?"

The real answer is: "Yes, we are sure that it isn't risky, if you keep your brains working. But you will never be sure that it isn't risky, so you shouldn't do it."

Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1

...He keeps asking the very same question, over and over again.

"...Are you sure?"
"Really?"
"Really sure?"
"Really, really sure?"

I'm not sure what that means.

Originally Posted by TheLAGuy

With a glock basically your saying you have it locked and loaded? Pull the trigger and your firing? Wouldnt that be considered risky?

No, hundreds if not thousands do it every day.

No press the trigger and it no go boom.

Called me old fashioned, but seems you'd want some kind've safety net. Either the safety on, or with a glock, possibly the magazine in, but not locked and loaded. Just seems like a decent enough safety procaution however. But I'm new to all of this so safety is my number one factor, and I'm sure its everyone elses as well. Just not as comfortable as alot of you guys, practice makes perfect, right?

Originally Posted by TheLAGuy

Called me old fashioned, but seems you'd want some kind've safety net. Either the safety on, or with a glock, possibly the magazine in, but not locked and loaded. Just seems like a decent enough safety procaution however. But I'm new to all of this so safety is my number one factor, and I'm sure its everyone elses as well. Just not as comfortable as alot of you guys, practice makes perfect, right?

Something like that. I prefer guns with a manual safety, but I've carried a Glock off and on and probably will again when my 17 gets built.

Keeping your finger off the trigger and keeping the gun in a good holster that covers the trigger is paramount in gun safety.

Regarding the empty chamber thing, if the stats are to be believed; the average gun fight is 3 seconds, 3 shots, at 3 yards. That extra second to get your gun ready to shoot is one third of the time you have to save your bacon. You don't want to spend ANY time with an unloaded gin when you NEED that gun.

Okay.....so call me old fashioned, but I'd NEVER carry a semi-auto w/o one in the chamber.

BTW....safeties are for sissies.

Originally Posted by VAMarine

Something like that. I prefer guns with a manual safety, but I've carried a Glock off and on and probably will again when my 17 gets built.

Keeping your finger off the trigger and keeping the gun in a good holster that covers the trigger is paramount in gun safety.

Regarding the empty chamber thing, if the stats are to be believed; the average gun fight is 3 seconds, 3 shots, at 3 yards. That extra second to get your gun ready to shoot is one third of the time you have to save your bacon. You don't want to spend ANY time with an unloaded gin when you NEED that gun.

That makes sense, but do you keep it that way at home? I mean I can understand this when you might be in some kind've danger. But I keep my handgun in my safe, magazine fully loaded.

I'm a newbie and I go back and fiddle with the firearm a few times a day, so I feel safer having it unloaded. Also I live in CA, CCW is pretty much non existent. And I have the handgun for some protection, but also for the firing range. Basically I'm rarely in danger. Makes sense where I'm coming from? Maybe I'm just not confident enough yet.

Just my 2c but carry it in what ever way makes it safe, I know several people who carry different brands. A 1911 style kimber one in the chamber cocked safety on, glock one in chamber. Find what you feel comfortable with and do it the same way everyday. Dont carry empty chamber one day then one in the chamber the next, muscle memory is key in a stressful event.

The reason I love Beretta handguns is I feel they are safe and reliable. If you put the safety on the firing pin is no longer in line with the hammer it's imposible for the gun to go off. Plus the trigger is then disengaged, drop it or accidentally bump the trigger nothing happens. Wouldn't carry another brand for that reason

If you don't feel 100% confident with the firearm it should be left unloaded and locked up at all times. If its in the safe keep the loaded mag out of the gun so when you feel the need to go fiddle with it you dont have to worry. Always always every time you touch the gun practice doing a safety check, pull back the slide and really look in the chamber for a round. If you have a mag drop the mag first then inspect the chamber every time. Practice good safety and you will be safe

Originally Posted by TheLAGuy

With a glock basically your saying you have it locked and loaded? Pull the trigger and your firing? Wouldnt that be considered risky?

The weapon will not fire without the trigger being pulled.

If it isn't loaded, it's just a big metsl, gun shaped stick.

Originally Posted by TheLAGuy

Called me old fashioned, but seems you'd want some kind've safety net. Either the safety on, or with a glock, possibly the magazine in, but not locked and loaded. Just seems like a decent enough safety procaution however. But I'm new to all of this so safety is my number one factor, and I'm sure its everyone elses as well. Just not as comfortable as alot of you guys, practice makes perfect, right?

The safety net is your brain. As long as you keep your finger off the trigger, it's safe. If you are that uncomfortable with a loaded weapon, maybe you shouldn't be handling them or carrying them until you are.

Originally Posted by guardrail

The safety net is your brain. As long as you keep your finger off the trigger, it's safe. If you are that uncomfortable with a loaded weapon, maybe you shouldn't be handling them or carrying them until you are.

I'm comfortable with it....

I always carry with one in the chamber, and safety off.

Originally Posted by berettabone

I always carry with one in the chamber, and safety off.

Hammer fully cocked back? While jumping up and down?

Do not carry any firearms that need to be cocked while carrying.

Originally Posted by berettabone

Do not carry any firearms that need to be cocked while carrying.

why

Originally Posted by berettabone

I always carry with one in the chamber, and safety off.

Originally Posted by TheLAGuy

Hammer fully cocked back? While jumping up and down?

...Well, I do keep my pistol's hammer "fully cocked back" while I am having, um, marital relations. Is that the same as "jumping up and down"?


Back when I was still competing, we frequently did an exercise called The Cooper Assault, which included vaulting as quickly as possible over a six-foot wall.
Most of us carried 1911s, for competition (or P.35s—they work the same).
The wall was always taken with the holstered pistol in Condition One: Chamber loaded, hammer cocked, safety on.

Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1

...Well, I do keep my pistol's hammer "fully cocked back" while I am having, um, marital relations. Is that the same as "jumping up and down"?


Back when I was still competing, we frequently did an exercise called The Cooper Assault, which included vaulting as quickly as possible over a six-foot wall.
Most of us carried 1911s, for competition (or P.35s—they work the same).
The wall was always taken with the holstered pistol in Condition One: Chamber loaded, hammer cocked, safety on.

So after you scaled the wall, would you rear back and fire that 1911 like it was going out of style?

Originally Posted by TheLAGuy

So after you scaled the wall, would you rear back and fire that 1911 like it was going out of style?

No. I would take four quick, accurate shots at two targets, reholster, and dive through a six-feet-long tunnel.
At the end of the tunnel, I would switch to left-hand-only, and fire three more quick, accurate shots.

How did that work out for you?

Because they are double action, or striker fired.

Originally Posted by TheLAGuy

why

Originally Posted by TheLAGuy

How did that work out for you?

I placed Second in my class twice; dead last once, when I sprained my wrist and couldn't make it over the wall; and I was disqualified once, when I allowed my pistol to contact the tunnel, and it was knocked out of its holster.
No, it didn't fire. Its safety was on.