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    Quote Originally Posted by Bionicman View Post
    Can you be more specific about the malfunction? Type of ammo? Failure to eject? Failure to feed? Failure to fire?

    Simply unloading your problem on someone else at a loss makes no sense when you can just utilize the warranty. I suggest calling Stoeger at (301) 283-6981 or (800) 264-4962 and describing the problem in more detail to them. If the gun is brand new, then it's still well within the one year limited warranty. Hopefully they'll straighten it out for you, because this is the first I've read of a Cougar being unreliable. Keep us posted . . .
    Sorry about the delayed response. For starters the type of ammo was Remington 9mm. Now, bare with me because I'm no expert. Basically, The first time I took it out, it fired a few shots fine, then it like jammed up and wouldn't eject it got kind of stuck and you could see the bullet all cocked and the ejection port was half open. I ejected the clip and racked the slide back a couple times and wiggled it around until the bullet fell out of the bottom. This happened I want to say three different times that day. When the gun did shoot, it shot beautifully. Very accurate and easy to aim.

    So I cleaned the gun thoroughly and lubricated it as well, AND bought different ammunition, I think it was Federal ammo. Anyways, this is somewhat embarrassing. I took a conceal and carry class and I used the Cougar for the firing test portion of the class. I brought the Cougar instead of my H&K P2000 .40 because the Cougar was easier to shoot, meaning I could get bullseyes all day with it whereas my Hekler is a bit harder. Any way, my instructor told me to load the firearm, I did. He told me to disengage the safeties, I did. Then he told me to fire. I pulled the trigger and the gun completely misfired. Didn't do a damn thing. I said "what the hell". He laughed and said "It's because it's a Taurus". I told him no, It's a stoeger, like a Beretta. His exact words were "I wouldn't carry that if I were you".

    I sent the gun to Stoeger. I received my gun back with a letter that looked like a 5 year old typed out because the grammar and sentence structure was let's say lacking. It more or less said that the gunsmith fired numerous brands of ammo through it and found no flaws or abnormalities with it whatsoever. One thing it did say was "removed some of the manufacturing burrs"-whatever that means. It said that sometimes with new guns they require a lot of cleaning or something like that. Anyways, on the bright side, when I did get it back I took it out I think once or twice and the gun performed just as it should with no jam ups, misfires or anything. I just couldn't get over what it did and I sold the thing recently. Took about a $200 hit. But since the gun worked just fine the last times I used it, it's not like I put one over on the buyer or anything, I'm not the type of person to dump anything off on anyone else.

    In my opinion, a brand new close to $500 gun shouldn't jam up and misfire at all. What if I needed to use it on a threat and it did that, what would I throw it at them?!?! My H&K would never let me down.

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    What is a misfire?

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    Re: 9mm Cougar

    Quote Originally Posted by losingle View Post
    What is a misfire?
    Cartridge does not ignite and go bang aftger being hit by the firing mechanism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberschutze View Post
    Sorry about the delayed response. For starters the type of ammo was Remington 9mm. Now, bare with me because I'm no expert. Basically, The first time I took it out, it fired a few shots fine, then it like jammed up and wouldn't eject it got kind of stuck and you could see the bullet all cocked and the ejection port was half open. I ejected the clip and racked the slide back a couple times and wiggled it around until the bullet fell out of the bottom. This happened I want to say three different times that day. When the gun did shoot, it shot beautifully. Very accurate and easy to aim.

    So I cleaned the gun thoroughly and lubricated it as well, AND bought different ammunition, I think it was Federal ammo. Anyways, this is somewhat embarrassing. I took a conceal and carry class and I used the Cougar for the firing test portion of the class. I brought the Cougar instead of my H&K P2000 .40 because the Cougar was easier to shoot, meaning I could get bullseyes all day with it whereas my Hekler is a bit harder. Any way, my instructor told me to load the firearm, I did. He told me to disengage the safeties, I did. Then he told me to fire. I pulled the trigger and the gun completely misfired. Didn't do a damn thing. I said "what the hell". He laughed and said "It's because it's a Taurus". I told him no, It's a stoeger, like a Beretta. His exact words were "I wouldn't carry that if I were you".

    I sent the gun to Stoeger. I received my gun back with a letter that looked like a 5 year old typed out because the grammar and sentence structure was let's say lacking. It more or less said that the gunsmith fired numerous brands of ammo through it and found no flaws or abnormalities with it whatsoever. One thing it did say was "removed some of the manufacturing burrs"-whatever that means. It said that sometimes with new guns they require a lot of cleaning or something like that. Anyways, on the bright side, when I did get it back I took it out I think once or twice and the gun performed just as it should with no jam ups, misfires or anything. I just couldn't get over what it did and I sold the thing recently. Took about a $200 hit. But since the gun worked just fine the last times I used it, it's not like I put one over on the buyer or anything, I'm not the type of person to dump anything off on anyone else.

    In my opinion, a brand new close to $500 gun shouldn't jam up and misfire at all. What if I needed to use it on a threat and it did that, what would I throw it at them?!?! My H&K would never let me down.
    Like I said, this is the first I've ever heard of a Cougar failing in 3+ years of following them. Truth be told, every manufacturer spits out a lemon occasionally, and the majority of manufacturers recommend a break-in period to test reliability for this reason. From the sounds of it, the manufacturer fixed whatever issues it had, and you were good to go. Personally, I would have run 500 rds of FMJ and 100 rds of SD ammo through it, and then trusted it again, but I can understand where you're coming from. As far as the failures themselves, Remington UMC is notoriously loaded light and won't cycle in all auto's. The combination of a light load, stiff new springs, and perhaps burrs on the rails would attribute to the ejection failures you described. (or a poorly machined extractor) As far as the hammer dropping and not causing ignition, that's a lot tougher to guess. Perhaps a batch of hard primers? Maybe a damaged hammer spring or poorly machined firing pin? Tough to say. Just out of curiosity, what was the turn around time from Stoeger on the repair work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bionicman View Post
    Like I said, this is the first I've ever heard of a Cougar failing in 3+ years of following them. Truth be told, every manufacturer spits out a lemon occasionally, and the majority of manufacturers recommend a break-in period to test reliability for this reason. From the sounds of it, the manufacturer fixed whatever issues it had, and you were good to go. Personally, I would have run 500 rds of FMJ and 100 rds of SD ammo through it, and then trusted it again, but I can understand where you're coming from. As far as the failures themselves, Remington UMC is notoriously loaded light and won't cycle in all auto's. The combination of a light load, stiff new springs, and perhaps burrs on the rails would attribute to the ejection failures you described. (or a poorly machined extractor) As far as the hammer dropping and not causing ignition, that's a lot tougher to guess. Perhaps a batch of hard primers? Maybe a damaged hammer spring or poorly machined firing pin? Tough to say. Just out of curiosity, what was the turn around time from Stoeger on the repair work?
    Stoeger got it back to me within about a 3 week period of time. Everything I read about Stoeger was solid, I mean everything. My understanding is that it's basically a Beretta, but instead of an Italian guy pushing the button on the CNC machine, a Turkish guy was doing it. It shot beautifully. But I can't stress enough, a $500 brand new gun shouldn't do that. And ultimately I came online not to veer people away from buying a Stoeger Cougar, but to simply share my story, because it is very much a true story and I was like WTF when it jammed/misfired and I thought back to every review I read which had nothing bad to say about the gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberschutze View Post
    Stoeger got it back to me within about a 3 week period of time. Everything I read about Stoeger was solid, I mean everything. My understanding is that it's basically a Beretta, but instead of an Italian guy pushing the button on the CNC machine, a Turkish guy was doing it. It shot beautifully. But I can't stress enough, a $500 brand new gun shouldn't do that. And ultimately I came online not to veer people away from buying a Stoeger Cougar, but to simply share my story, because it is very much a true story and I was like WTF when it jammed/misfired and I thought back to every review I read which had nothing bad to say about the gun.
    Hate you had that experience but I have to agree with some of the others on here. I love the cougars both the Beretta and the Stoeger. I have the Beretta in 357 sig and stoeger in 9mm alas I wish I had known they were going to add the rail because if I have one complaint it is no way to mount any accessories. would love to add a light to mine! I run all kinds of ammo through mine from the cheapest thing I can find to my handloads and can't say I have ever had a FTF, FTE My sig version has literally had thousands of rounds through it between me loving to shoot it and it being a former LEO weapon. I would say you probably needed just a couple hundred more through it and anything would have disappeared but I also understand your concerns if you didn't trust it you shouldn't carry it. My rule of thumb for ANY new weapon is it doesn't get to take its place as my defense weapon till it has atleast 500 rounds through it. I'm waiting to find one in 45 then my collection will be complete

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