Glock's are more expensive than the PX4's and more reliable than a Beretta is nonsense. Evidently you have never owned a Beretta. During one test of twelve pistols fired at Beretta U.S.A. before Army supervision, Beretta-made M9 pistols shot 168,000 rounds without a single malfunction. If a Glock can do 168,000 rounds w/o a single malfuction I would say they both are extremely reliable, but I don't think Glock or any other pistol made can hang with a Beretta in the reliability department. I do know that beretta beat out Sig, Smith & Wesson, Heckler & Koch, Walther, Steyr, and Fabrique Nationale in reliabilty tests conducted in the 1984 Army trials and if Glock would have been considered it would have beat it too.
Originally Posted by Prin_C
Originally Posted by Prin_C
Someone comes in my house, I have a HK USP-Compact and a Glock... I will load the Glock, no safety, soon as I pull the trigger bullets are coming out...
The Glock an ugly pistol??? I rather love the plain design. It looks pretty much like a boxy 1911 without any levers, hammers, or safties to me at least and I do not think ppl consider 1911's ugly???
Glock vs. Beretta... Glock wins every time, there's thousands of law enforcement agents that trust Glock over beretta for very good reasons...
Glock is not an ugly pistol it is just simple. I like berettas design more, but I would never compare Beretta with Glock. Both have positives and negatives.
Glock stole the LEO market because of $ - they sold their guns to police departments dirt cheap and also bought the departments old guns. They were also in at the right time when some departments were transitioning into semi autos from revolvers. Most of the time, new gun purchases are made by managers, and $ is the number 1 priority.
Originally Posted by jakeleinen1
There is a fair amount of Glock complaints and issues with Glocks from several departments. I'm not going to spend time and research them - but I remember seeing several stories over the years.
Also - I have been on a lot of gun forums for a lot of years. I have seen NUMEROUS LEOs online state that their various departments NEVER had AD's by their officers until they changed to Glocks. Now they have them all the time. That's another issue to consider. You can talk about "the real safety is between your ears" all day long - but the truth is that people make mistakes all day long in everything they do. We're human. People have car wrecks all day long in multi thousand pound vehicles that are better weapons than a gun. So, it stands to reason that mistakes will happen with a gun sometimes. And, that type of trigger is less forgiving.
Nothing is perfect - not Beretta, Sig or even Glock.
Me personally, I have 9 Berettas - 8 of them are 92s and one PX4. I have owned several Glocks over the years. Don't care for them now. Is one better than the other? That's a personal choice. Personally, I'd rather have a Beretta
Is that the real reason why people don't like glocks because of how it looks, instead of how it performs? I own a glock 19 and it performs flawless and would definitely trust my life with it, so who cares how it looks.
Not me, I like the way Glock looks or it has grown on me. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. A little blocky perhaps, but when someone says a Glock is more reliable than a Beretta they are talking complete nonsense and would venture to say have never owned a Beretta. I've had a 92G since 1995 and that firearm has never malfuntioned unless due to a worn mag spring. Just recently changed out the locking block and extractor and spring after 18 years of service and I'd run it against any firearm new or used to see which one hickuped first. My brother owns a 92FS since 1998 and his gun has never malfucntioned. He likewise owns a 32 Tomcat and that gun has never malfunctioned. I likewise own a PX4 subcompact and that little beast has never malfunctioned after 2,300 rounds. Bought an early model PX4 compact and it hickuped on light loads until I got the new recoil spring from Beretta and now that gun has never malfunctioned after 1,300 rounds. Now granted, I know how to take care of my firearms and change the recoil springs and magazine springs when needed. M9's have been documented to go 168,000 rounds before any malfunction and having owed one for the last 18 years I truly believe it. Now if someone said both Glock and Beretta's are extremely reliable, thats more like it.
I said earlier, "Glock vs. Beretta... Glock wins every time," You got me on this one Shipwreck. I was extremely wrong...
Originally Posted by Shipwreck
The Beretta Px4 is something else man, I purchased an used one today and shot it even, one can i just say I love the safety... Tested accuracy of my Glock vs. Beretta at 15 yards, 30 yards, and maybe 40-50 yards (idk really far away). Glock = Beretta, wonder if its that rotating barrel???
This may be my future duty gun, maybe Ill have one in .40 even, I like it that much
I will say I still think Glock has an advantage in that MANY officers (and federal agencies) use glock, interchangeable parts, mags, and etc. with your colleagues or people you run accross gives you an advantage in the field
The Glocks are good guns no doubt, my brother has a G17 Generation 1, and has never had a problem with it - even with his crappy reloaded ammo he shoots thru it! I have shot it, but don't care for the grip angle that much. I have to constantly tell myself to "aim low", otherwise my rounds hit high on the target. I have been practicing drawing and flicking the safety off on my Model 84F, so that it will be second nature if I ever had to deploy the weapon under stress. I'll stick to handguns with a safety on them myself - call it a personal preference.
I have to agree with you.. Glocks have the advantages.
Originally Posted by berettatoter
buy taser gun, Bo Peep cumin' from my stun gun.
Originally Posted by jakeleinen1
I actually really regret this post, after my own personal experiences I have to agree with you and not with my original position
I will say that Glock = Beretta = Sig = HK = Some S&Ws
This thread proves that guns are personal
This thread just goes to prove the saying, "Guns are Personal." That being said, there are some generalities to be made.
Having started with a Ruger 9mm, and then a FNX-9, and then a Cz-2075 RAMI, I have finally settled on the best gun FOR ME so far: The Cz 75 Shadow. But it definitely took time to get to that point. I shot a lot of other rental guns along the way:
- Beretta PX4 9mm Full Size: Loved the lower recoil and how the gun felt, I was more accurate with it, but didn't like the placement of the safeties because of how I like to rack the slide....it hurt my fingers. Also, the PX4 is thicker than I wanted for carry.
- Beretta 92: Great shooting gun, but I was not that accurate with it.
- Glock 17: Less muzzle-flip meant quicker target acquisition, but couldn't shoot that accurately...always shooting high. Also, just don't like the sights on the Glock.
- Sig 226: Great gun and was accurate with it, but don't like the width or weight of the gun. I may some day get a Sig yet...I really liked how it handled and was my favorite kind of action.
- S&W M&P: Love this pistol and may even buy one this weekend if it is still available through a used ad. Felt recoil is as good as the Cz 75 and low muzzle flip. Not crazy about the sights on the regular guns, but with a fiberoptic on the front, very nice.
- XD/XDm: Nice guns but just don't like the grip safety.
- Dan Wesson 1911: I shot one in a .45, and I really like the guns and next on my list to try at the range...a subcompact 9mm and .45. It is hard to get used to the trigger on the 1911's....for me.
My point is this: Each one of us has to figure out the right gun and that takes some time and experience until we get one that we can shoot accurately, fits properly, sights that fit our eyes and our vision, and triggers that fit our finger style.
So, I say: Why not BOTH a Beretta and a Glock!
I always carry the same gun as my favorite TV actor carries in his series.
Thomas Magnum carried a Government model 1911, and so did I.
Selleck, as police commissioner Reagan carries a blued snubbie.
And as Quigley Down Under, a rifle (which I wore with an inside the pants holster).
If you want to carry a Glock, you are emulating Police Chief Brenda Leigh Johnson (The Closer, Kyra Sedgwick).
I own a couple of Glocks that I consider to be among my finest shooters. I took the plunge today on my first Baretta. Its a 950BS .25 Cal. pocket pistol.
Before you all start screaming for Pic's I just won it on auction today and wont actually be able to pick it up from my FFL for a couple of weeks. I also have my eye on a 92FS.
have 4 Glock 's, G 17 , G 26 , G 22 , and G35
just purchased first Beretta , 96 A 1 , just getting used to it, have it sitting in office at work along side the Cx4 Storm with changed out mags.
but when I go to collect $$ ? I holster the G22 with my Sig 238 as back up...
hope to become as comfortable with the 96 A1 as I am with the Glock's
Last edited by PATFINN; 09-18-2011 at 07:08 AM.
Last edited by PATFINN; 09-18-2011 at 06:08 AM. Reason: spelling
Originally Posted by PATFINN
No one worries about spelling here. We just type and shoot.
Your post makes no sense given the problems with a Glock's fit are they are two narrow and have a weird angle.
Originally Posted by Cat
Decent collection, G 26 serves me good for some odd reason, I just can't put my fingre on it
Originally Posted by PATFINN
Glocks are great when they belong to someone else
Originally Posted by scooter
If you lay a Glock on top of a 1911, you'll be hard pressed to find one degree of angle difference (at least I was). I was supprised to find it was very close to the same angle from the receiver.
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