Oh and the reason I made sure to mention if any ladies present.. Holy cow, there was a lady in the stall next to me busting a couple Glock 45's, and I was embarrassed to have my target next to hers... Dang!!! she could shoot! hehehe.. I had a slight momentary feeling of inadequacy there. And my Dad was with me... He and I both agreed, she had her ducks in a row and knew what she was doing for sure. Doggone good for her!