View Full Version : A 2 mile head shot ?
Rustycompass
10-26-2007, 05:28 PM
Something happen today & I wanta throw the B*S* FLAG @ a co~worker !!! :smt169
I'll try to be short .....
1st off, I am not a sniper so my knowledge is limited.
I work for an FDLE agency and today one of my coworkers... we'll call him Officer Bullsh*t. This guy "claims" he is a Reserve Army sniper & one of his team members in his unit made what I would think would be a very difficult if not impossible shot.
Officer Bullsh*t is about 30"ish" in age & VERY gunho. He claimed that sometime last year he was in Iraq and he was the spotter & his shooter was on a .50 cal rifle of some sort, on the 5th floor of a blowout building in which they spotted & engaged a TWO MILE target which was sitting in a truck ... He claimed they eliminated the human target with a HEAD SHOT. :smt108 He said " Man, it was the most unreal thing I ever saw, just freaking awesome."
I understand ... the military has some wicked gear & awesome shooters.
My question is this:
Is a TWO MILE shot like that even possible, even under perfect conditions?
JeffWard
10-26-2007, 06:10 PM
Mike will attest to ths, but I think there have been multiple sniper kills with Barret .50 Cals in the 2 mile range. Headshots? Likely unintentional. With a .50, at very long ranges the point of aim is definately center of mass. A "miss" for center of mass that is 15" high, is called a head shot.
The gun can do it. Wind, mirage, elevation adjustments... all a bitch at that distance. But a hit with a .50 usually does SERIOUS damage, no matter where you hit 'em. Even at close to 2 miles.
They did a 2-mile hit on a man target with a Barrett a few months back on Future-Weapons, the TV show.
Jeff
I'd say BS....
I know the longest recorded sniper shot in Iraq was 3/4 of a mile... using a M-24.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2006/01/01/wirq01big.jpg
Sniper shot that took out an insurgent killer from three quarters of a mile
Toby Harnden in Ramadi
Last Updated: 12:46am GMT 02/01/2006
Gazing through the telescopic sight of his M24 rifle, Staff Sgt Jim Gilliland, leader of Shadow sniper team, fixed his eye on the Iraqi insurgent who had just killed an American soldier.
His quarry stood nonchalantly in the fourth-floor bay window of a hospital in battle-torn Ramadi, still clasping a long-barrelled Kalashnikov. Instinctively allowing for wind speed and bullet drop, Shadow's commander aimed 12 feet high.
A single shot hit the Iraqi in the chest and killed him instantly. It had been fired from a range of 1,250 metres, well beyond the capacity of the powerful Leupold sight, accurate to 1,000 metres.
"I believe it is the longest confirmed kill in Iraq with a 7.62mm rifle," said Staff Sgt Gilliland, 28, who hunted squirrels in Double Springs, Alabama from the age of five before progressing to deer - and then people.
"He was visible only from the waist up. It was a one in a million shot. I could probably shoot a whole box of ammunition and never hit him again."
Later that day, Staff Sgt Gilliland found out that the dead soldier was Staff Sgt Jason Benford, 30, a good friendHere's the link for the rest of the info... Click Here (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/01/01/wirq01.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/01/01/ixnewstop.html)
JeffWard
10-26-2007, 09:02 PM
I did my research...
Previous comment retracted. The .50 Cal shot was 2000M. A LONG way, but no where near 2 Mi...
My bad,
Jeff
Gonna call BS.
From what I've been able to find, the longest shot on record is now by Canadian sniper who was serving in Afghanistan. It was reported to be 2430 metres (over 2600 yards) by several news services. That's about 1.5 miles! The bullet was in the air for four seconds and dropped 146 feet.
stormbringerr
10-26-2007, 09:31 PM
maybe you could hit someone in the head from 2miles, if the person was made out of lead so they never moved, and you had about 50,000 trys at it.its ridiculous simply because of the issue of movement.also at that distance it would have to be completely still. no wind.if i hit someone from 2 miles away with a tank shell could i claim it was a head shot?i dont doubt that someone could be hit from 2 miles away by something, but to say it is a head shot???:smt104
I call bulshit also.
Staff Sgt Gilliland :smt1099
Staff Sgt Jason Benford :smt1099 R.I.P.
Rustycompass
10-26-2007, 09:54 PM
~you guys should have heard Officer Bullsh*t telling his story to everybody.... he also said:
" Man, do you guys even understand the science & knowledge involved in a shot like that? You have your windage, distance, elevation & temperture, hell you even have to factor in the ROTATION SPEED OF THE EARTH... on a shot like that".
He really said that...
~ this guy was telling this story to a group of 4 of us and he did it with a straight face too.
Rustycompass
10-26-2007, 09:59 PM
Staff Sgt Gilliland :smt1099
Staff Sgt Jason Benford :smt1099 R.I.P.
~ Good call my Friend ...........:smt1099
Baldy
10-26-2007, 10:02 PM
The man is all caught up in a lie and loving the attention it's getting him. brokenimage
Rustycompass
10-26-2007, 10:22 PM
~ and Officer B*S* also shared with us that he wears his Sniper Ghillie suit out "deer hunting" & it works awesome...
"Man, do you guys even understand the science & knowledge involved in a shot like that? You have your windage, distance, elevation & temperture, hell you even have to factor in the ROTATION SPEED OF THE EARTH... on a shot like that".
Seems to me I've heard that before. Hmmmm. Oh wait, I have. It was from the movie Shooter with Marky Mark.
Tell that guy off will ya. The jackass is quoting movies and passing it off as his own BS.
Seems to me I've heard that before. Hmmmm. Oh wait, I have. It was from the movie Shooter with Marky Mark.
Tell that guy off will ya. The jackass is quoting movies and passing it off as his own BS.
+1 :smt023
Snowman
10-27-2007, 03:20 AM
you even have to factor in the ROTATION SPEED OF THE EARTH... on a shot like that".
Absurd.
Rustycompass
10-27-2007, 04:51 AM
Seems to me I've heard that before. Hmmmm. Oh wait, I have. It was from the movie Shooter with Marky Mark.
Tell that guy off will ya. The jackass is quoting movies and passing it off as his own BS.
~ interesting ...
I thought that sounded familiar but I couldn't recall it. :smt042
Mike Barham
10-27-2007, 06:11 PM
I am late on this one, but the guy is completely full of it, and you can tell him I said so. The other members above who stated facts about military snipers are completely correct. I'll just add that the Barrett rifle isn't nearly accurate enough to make a headshot at two miles - but then again, nothing in the military firearms arsenal is. The snipers in my unit strongly prefer the M24 when shooting people (rather than large objects).
JeffWard
10-27-2007, 07:56 PM
Here's the story on the Canadian sniper from 2400+M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q76G7F4dV8
Third shot...
Of course, there's a nice anti-gun, anti-military bias to the news story about a cold-blooded killer, who left the Military in disgrace...
Heaven forbid they could just report the news... Gotta spin your agenda somehow...
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